• slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Remember folks: China is communist in the same way that North Korea is democratic and the Nazis were socialist.

    It’s just a smokescreen.

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      5 months ago

      Eh, there’s a notional aspiration to socialism at least, which is more than can be said about the US sphere of countries.

      In practice though? Yeah, China is hyper-captialist, without much of the social security present in wealthier countries.

      Why Leftist get a hard-on for the former USSR, Russia and China, or frankly any country, is beyond me.

      There are positive and negative outcomes in line or against socialist ideals everywhere (I think people are too black and white about China in both directions personally)

      I just do not understand simping for any country, just because they are “socialist”.

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        5 months ago

        IMO this is why it takes an additional axis to define a government, not just left/right but also free/authoritarian. You can find examples of all combinations. Left wing and repressive? Cuba. Left leaning and free? Sweden. Right wing and repressive? Russia, Saudi Arabia, whatever. Right leaning and free (mostly)? USA.

        Obviously, there’s a gradient within these axes, but it’s strange to see people cheering on a country that matches their preferred left or right wing ideology if they’re super repressive.

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          This is why we need to reeducate people and stop using the traditional left-right spectrum and start using the axis spectrum

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            5 months ago

            Even the axis spectrum is unproductive, ideologies and frameworks cannot be distilled into single data points on a map, no matter how many axes you add.

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              The axis spectrum has proven to be very efficient imo. A lot of the politics we talk about are mainly composed of social and economic elements which the axis spectrum portrays well.

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                  These views aren’t complicated though, or aren’t as complicated as you think. Most of our political opinions can be boiled down to any of the 4 quadrants of the axis.

                  Can you name any view that doesn’t fit into this axis?