OSU. There’s a open source client don’t know anymore which ones good.

It is crazy that a platform essentially ran on child labor also allows predators on said platform and some what protects them by sweeping the problem under the rug and hiding it.

Also the fact that everything’s in robucks kind of reminds me of those old sugar mill/mining towns where they invented their own money to keep people enslaved.

What’s crazier too is I completely forget about roblox, but everytime I hear it in the news it has quadrupled in size. I consider myself into gaming and roblox completely escapes my content feeds, and its pretty much larger then the entire gaming industry combined. Or at least was. So I don’t know how parents can keep up with all this stuff.

I don’t like Sweeny, and don’t trust him. I don’t want him interested in Linux even if people do use his service and think it would be a benifit if it worked on linux.

Sweeny is always trying to get ahead of the curve on things, and will sue and try to cause damage to get his way. He hates monopolies like steam and google because he his envious and thinks he should be the monopoly, and every move he has made has been to selfishly reach that goal.

I don’t know what he has planned but I can see him running some narative similar to his google play legal fight to try to throw around his power and take control, rather than just making a decent product. So to me I see Sweeny interested in Linux finally, I am trying to think what kind of lawsuit is he planning, or is he going to try to instil his own Linux kernal anti cheat spyware, etc, etc.

He only sued google for the 30% cut they took on fortnight, and though he deserved all the money to himself, while at the same time is trying to build his monopoly the epic playstore. Hes beefing with steam right now about Ai disclosure because he doesn’t want the games made with unreal engine to be labled as Ai slop due to his newest Ai update for unreal.

If everytime he opened his mouth he didn’t shit on Linux, shit on anti Ai, shit on open source, and directly support csam I would maybe believe him. Its like everytime he opens his mouth he aims to say the dumbest thing possible.

I’d by luck you meant inqtel funding then yes.

Android support is to run the apks that the meta quests use to play natively, sense they just use a modified version of android they’re pretty much mobile phones already.

But yes this does mean steam is adding support for apks technically. I just don’t know if that means we will get steam on android. It just means that for sure they are allowing developers to choose to let you run the apk or the scaled version of the PC version.

Most likely the PC versions are going to run worse for a good while, but this is when it will it will start to improve the most.

Technically sense the steam frame runs on arm its technically native but because its on arch64 they will need something like waydroid if that’s not what they are already using.

Also I’ve used both of those forks I think, I don’t remember which one I prefer I have to relearn everything everytime I tinker with it. I don’t really use those apps but when I get new phones or arm based gaming handhelds I gotta put it through the ringer first to see what it can do.

Thats basically gamehub on android. There’s other forks of it that arent as shitty but I still don’t really intend on using it outside of checking up on progress every now and then. I think gamehub is gamesir the company that locks their switch emulator based off stolen code, and requiring physically for you to use one of their controllers. So I don’t like the idea of them in general, even ignoring the privacy issues.

But I do hope that steam os becomes popular for this. If I understand it correctly the frame is going to run off arch64 and use a combo of android, and fex translation layers so it will be extreamly versatile. Right now one of the closes things I experienced is Ubuntu touch, but you have to do everything in libertine containers and even native Linux apps don’t always work well, along with waydroid.

The progress with fex is already impressive and if it matures anything like proton did, it might be just as simple. I can throw a pirated Photoshop 1.6 cs or something into bottles with proton ge and it works. Sure might not be the version anyone wants anymore but I can say “we have Photoshop” now.

Even if people don’t use steam is directly I think there will be community made projects that essentially just bundle in almost the same experience using the same tools valve is using. Kinda like how bazzite or cachyos make it easy to have a steam deck experience out of the box and focuses on more gaming specific utilities that the steam deck comes bundled with.

And its not going to be good right away. Proton kind of sucked when the the first steam decks where released. It has to be out there and start getting put through the paces, people need to be making reports on protondb, etc. When I got a q2 steam deck it was pretty much only the indie games and native Linux games that worked fine. Outside of that it didnt work or there was actual fiddling you had to do, and protonGE was more nessisary to use over proton.

The hardest part is everyone needs universal hardware. The os would have to be made for a few select phones, because with these bundles of translation layers like gamehub its a lot of tweaking and toggling on and off stuff that you don’t always fully know what it does or understand why you need it. Sometimes you have a shitty processor so you have to toggle a different series of settings to get them to work with your hardware, and the experience isnt always going to be the same.

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If you continue a thread long enough to the point the context is filled it easily is persuaded.

Also its not something that can be fixed the issue just migrates to a new “jailbreak” or whatever it is you use to trick it. Maybe the tricks you used didn’t work but it doesnt mean it still can’t be tricked. Its just your old methods got patched out.

Its like a never ending battle against bots, or hackers in games. Once one method gets patched the otherside just gets better at it. Sure it gets better but it can never be fully safe. And even if it is ever at a standard that is at an acceptable amount of harm, you are still willfully ignoring how systematically and historically how this is just going to be abused by the people running it. The whole point of Ai is to skirt around all the work society had put into at least somewhat protected people from the abuse of corperations. If it didn’t promise that there would be no money invested into it, and I don’t see how you are so blind to it. Grok ai for example is allowed to generate csam, and claim that there is no genocide in Gaza. The only issue it will bring your attention to is the genocide of white farmers. Thats the future of how people will absorb information is through this DRM on the flow of it. This is 1000% legal because trump has made it illegal for the states to regulate Ai in any form, and that includes the generation of csam. These people are immune to laws, and are allowed to rape and pillage what is essentially the library of Alexandrina and lock the door behind them.

Its dangerous precedent and I think you are a harmful person to think that grok should be incharge of peoples therapy, when elon’s doge has dismantled more than half of the federal programs. The person who wants to spread misinformation, wants all your goverment data, and wants to remove healthcare so his ai can get more money is the person who will be telling you how to be happy. It will probably just tell you youre depressed because you arent on enough peptides or its because you took the covid vaccine.

And grok, chatgpt, it doesnt matter they are all the same thing, and there is no distinction between them. Its just different appeals to different demographics and the best one will rise to the top. They all have the same end goal and are all funded by the same people.

You can’t really do that without infustructure to support it. Israel recently got in the news for doing essentially this.

So its not immediately making it into training data, that takes a while and there’s numerous filters to try to prevent this from happening. You can still do it but you or me are not going to do that.

What we can kind of do is if enough people agree to make nonsensical posts on reddit for example the ai will pick it up as fact. It doesnt always work, you kind of have to pick a unique sentence or they will try to autocorrect you and say “oh did you mean this event?” But it has been done before and any llm that uses the internet to search for info easily gets tricked by this. This is what Israel was doing, but they have numerous ai news outlets that generate fake articles that all say the same thing, and bots similar sentiments on social media platforms.

Also the gaurd rails you are refering to are just seperate lesser llm that scans your chat before it passes it to the main model. But much like the main model you can trick the filter into bypassing whatever gaurdrails by just rewording your sentence or asking it to pretend its a game. You seem to be conflating this with intelligence or like the LLM is improving. Those guard rails will be tweaked when money is finally needed because money is always more important over saftey. And there are no laws to prevent them from doing otherwise only public backlash. The model itself isn’t safe.

I wish I knew what part of my response gave you that train of thought so I could have more context on what exactly you where explaining.

So from what I gathered is the longer a LLM interacts with people and gets things wrong the more often it has chances to learn misinformation, is the crux of your point? Your example you used slipknot and a llm getting confused with ship related information, and then that getting flagged as an appropriate response to the user and being further cemented into training data?

If you really want to go back it started with the encryption. If you want to go back even further it would of been the printing press.

But I think most of what you guys are refering to came from ww1/2 with encryption machines. The US essentially put back doors in them. The whole atomic bomb race enshrouded us in this weird military ranking secrecy which later led to the CIA/OSS. People like Robert Maxwell envisioned computer systems to monitor people and data bases. Also much of the work that the natzis where doing with weird medical science which got folded in too due to operation paper clip. Essentially we continued natzi style medical experiments on vagrants, Black’s, prostitutes, and the people who where mentally unstable.

Weird eugenics natzi paper clip scientists, and chemical scientists where like the Ai back then. We had eugenics programs where we would test “mind control” in public universities. Or do things like raise a baby with a monkey as if he was a monkey just to see what would happen. Many cults, serial killers, and rapists actually came from some of these “Mk ultra” experiments. Some of which even had CIA connections like the finders, Unabomber, or Charles manson. So in this evil science race to beat Russia we create thousands of dangerous drugs, and chemicals, and test them on unsuspecting people, all ran or sponsered by ex natzi eugencisists. Not to mention pretty much all the satanic panic cults where directly CIA/Mk ultra, as if they where testing the whole “sleeper cells” concept you heard a lot of back then on fictional TV.

Thats when you start getting the news cycle, with satanic panic, and the 24/7 Vietnam news cycle. From there it transitioned to the modern fox news style cycles we get today. And that got further expanded with inqtel investing in companies like Facebook to make manipulative news feeds, and companies who are making dark patterns and these slot machines esque mechanics that hijack your basic thinking. Its like a continuation of Robert Maxwells vision.

First off chatgpt has murdered kids in the double digits for merely trying to use it for therapy. So I am concerned for your own well being if you are already not well, and feel like you have to use something that is potentially even more harmful to your health.

What you are failing to understand though is these companies don’t have your interest in heart. So imagine if your therapists only metric for success was time you spent on the app. Engagement. Can you imagine how a paper clip maximizer has 0 incentive to actually help you, but instead keep you on their platform as long as possible, while telling you everything you want to hear not need to hear? At least a real therapist goes to jail when they kill someone, or are held responsible for crimes they commit. At least you can always ask for a different therapist if you don’t like the current one. At least a real person is getting paid, and they’re required by law to not sell your data to advertisers. An ai is literally telling Cambridge analytica the people who helped rig an election all your insecurities and this is completely legal.

What’s ironic about your statement is the fact you are doing the very thing that is going to ensure that you never get therapy. Right now there is a battle to let Ais absorb all the goverment data, and be incharge of “effiecency”. Why do you think elon Musk’s Dodge had to rifle through the goverment programs and shut them down? He made a big deal about needing to unify goverment data, and how its more efficient to let his ai have all the data. Well due to that we no longer have fully functioning federal services, and that money all went to elon musk. As another example Xbox’s Ai Division’s asha sharma was recently put in charge of united States welfare programs and they’re “efficiency”. Thats right after Asha sharma layed off half of Xbox, so you can only imagine what she is there for.

Now grok is apart of the back bone of the military. And more and more talks are happening about removing food stamps and social security all together, or stripping them down to be nonfunctional. We are talking about nationalizing Ai, which means giving it a national budget that’s 3x-5x the size of the military budget. To do that they need to introduce UBI which will be a miniscule check of maybe 400-600 USD a month and will be the first budget they lower when its time for budget cuts. And because everyone has this ubi they will remove all other social services which gave much more value overall.

So imagine having to live like you’re 70 years old on social security funding, still working at Walmart, but now you also have to pay for your food, and health care because there’s no saftey nets anymore. Oh and once you get comfy with your ai therapist, they change the model and it no longer works, or they have to start putting ads in it so everytime you tell it youre sad it just says a McDonalds mc flurry always cheers it up.

The united States circumvents your rights to privacy by buying bulk data from data brokers. Those data brokers buy that data from any and every little app on google play store. Something as inocculus as a Bible app is selling your location and meta data to Israel where they sift through the data.

This also let’s them bypass and get more data on you than the goverment is allowed to collect on you personally. Because its a private buisness they can collect and sell everything. The fact that some of these companies operate in Israel gives them even more ability to abuse your rights. There’s a good reason why every major tech company employs someone from unit 8200 or is directly partnered with them.

Unless you run the hardware, and install your own software you are fucked. And even then your open source whatever probably has a backdoor on its dependency for a dependency in the dependency.

Ubuntu touch has a widr selection of devices that are 90% completed and at the bareminimum do what you want.

You don’t even need a shitty slow phone. Some of the oneplus phones work and they run on a snapdragon 845-865 which are the golden standard when it comes to emulation and other harder processes. I think the 845’s source code got leaked too so often projects will only work for that chip.

I keep hoping if I say it enough I can will it into existence but I really think that thr steam frame is going to usher in a community made phone/tablet that runs on arch and uses fex just like the steam frame does.

So many community projects poped up on github when the steam deck was released, and people been using proton in third party apps. Hell other distros have their own “steam deck” mode that just boots into big picture mode. I truely think that fex, and the work valve is putting into(or funding) arm64, is going to be more valuable than the steam frame itself. Gamehub app is already using the work valve put in with fex, and arm translation layers you can play red dead on a modern mid range pocco phone at 720p fps. And that’s the exe PC version not the Netflix apk.

So I tried sailfish os on a volla s23 or 22 I don’t remember the name. and I was kind of underwhelmed by it. I didn’t spend much time there, the community port didn’t support the proprietary software I would of had to use waydroid which I felt like defeated the point. So I am not sure I gave it enough time or a proper chance.

To me sailfish os felt much more like a solid phone experience, but with Ubuntu touch felt much more framiliar, and felt more versatile because of that. Though the experience with Ubuntu touch felt much more like a computer with a horrible gnome interface that is not intuitive, and you never get used to it.

I hear people say a lot of good things about sailfish and I wish I knew what I was looking for, because I was underwhealmed and I really really want a solid Linux phone. Graphene os is cool but in the long run I feel its best to remove ourselves from android, and also a Linux phone is already the perfect cyberdeck so its just cool.

I mean even games without anti-cheat are attack vectors. Some 18 year old kid is going to prison because his game stole crypto.

Also that’s pretty much what I was explaining, I just assumed everyone already knows what I’m talking about. I wouldnt say its misinformation, just lazy short hand and me expecting the audience here to be caught up enough to know what I mean.

Games are essentially attack vectors with kernal level access to your computer.

The united States is looking at doing something about Chinese gaming companies, yet we are okay with handing over what is essentially a back door over to the Saudis.

I just think its weird what malware we are okay with.

So their idea of open weight models is just unrestricted (less regulaton) models that they still host, and they will still collect all your data. They still need to build data centers. Money is getting made regardless of if it hurts the economy, if they are needed/wanted, and if its even profitable. Because eventually the american people will foot the bill.

What they don’t like is just a model that you can download and run offline anytime you want. If they do its going to be baked into windows as a monthly subscription to use the service, then you select from a drop down list of models to use for whatever task. They can bake a defussion model into Microsoft paint or whatever. You can do the same with krita/photoshop via plugins. So they will charge you a monthly fee to use your own hardware/compute.

The only reason they are pulling this now is because everytime they release some “big crazy disruptive” ai model the wind is taken out of their sails by the Chinese models. Sure you can argue no one has 15k for a PC with 128gigs ram/vram to run some of these models at their full capability, but you can quantize and retrain the models to work on less parameters. So you could work get a model to run on a 8gig GPU which is pretty common and if trained properly it can be decent at specific tasks.

They want to reposition themselves now that its obvious no one wants to generate slop with sora/chatgpt and it will never turn a profit. They are trying to reframe themselves as being nessisary for the greater good and some how if its a “open” model that its fine. But much like how googles android is “open” there are always ways to exert control with it to the point its locked down. For the model to truely be open, its even less profitable to these companies like openai. Nvidia can at least profit off people running local Ai models.

Also its in talks that we might nationalize Ai which is part of this reframing and their way to get more access to money, and power. We are already having a hard time not letting these Ai companies not absorb all of our goverment data, if we nationalize them they are just going to get all that data, and start removing welfare on a weaponized scale. We won’t have to bail them out because it will just become this infinitly inflating budget worse than the mitary budget. And in the name of “socalisim, and effiecency” they’ll just end up cutting all welfare programs including social security, food, healthcare for UBI. And UBI will be something like 600 dollars a month so you will be in a worse off position, and receive less benifits overall, but all that money the goverment saves will go straight into the Ai budget.

And of course tim Sweeny is throwing a tantrum because his biggest reveal lately is his entire game engine is gonna be ai slop.

Meaning people are going to call it out on steam and its going to hurt Tims sales.

Won’t someone please think of tim Sweeny