Watched it. The big takeaway for me came with this moment: the crowd starts chanting “Bernie! Bernie!” and Bernie stops them and says “NO! Not Bernie! I got bad news for you-- It’s you!”
He’s trying to get progressive people to run for office, any office, every office, wherever they can. I think it’s probably the best possible play at the moment.
E: credit to [email protected] for the correction on the quote
“Not Bernie! I got bad news for you - it’s YOU!”
Americans have been so brainwashed by Hollywood, Jesus and superhero stories that they think one hero is going rise up to save them all.
No one is coming to save us. We only have each other.
Now do it in DC itself.
I’m unsure if you realize how significant 34,000 people in one state capitol is.
All major protests and organizing in the past century took a decade of this work. This is 3 months into Trump’s term.
I never said anything about this being insignificant. I just said go do it in DC. Shut the fucking city down with people
New Party in the making?
Yeah that’s definitely what America needs. Another fracture.
Rather a replacement
Replacing institutions externally isn’t nearly as easy as rebuilding them internally. A new party in a country where a vast majority votes along traditional family lines is not going to gain any momentum in the time frame that the US needs to correct course. They’re a lot better rebuilding dems internally and keeping the existing external branding. It’s the internet so here’s my uneducated and uninformed opinion: a more progressive offshoot of the Democratic Party external to it only makes sense if the Dems win a few elections on the trot. Otherwise it’s just going to be the same as cutting one’s nose to spite their own face.
Right? The two parties we have are doing such a fantastic job representing the people already, why break from the status quo now?
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two parties do not constitute a political whole.
having only two parties in a democracy is a sign of weakness and sickness in the political system.
political parties representing people are not “fractures”.
I never said they do. I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system when the first priority should be to steady the ship. You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat. Fixing things requires a certain level of stability.
“I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system”
how do you contend encouraging political stability overhauling the system?
"the first priority should be to steady the ship.
steadying the ship is literally what this protest is about, providing stability while the executive branch is trying to conquer and invalidate the judicial and legislative.branches.
“You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat.”
yes you can. That’s what SOS calls, bilge pumps, pontoons, tar, patches and welds are for, to fix problens on boats.
you’re advocating to give up and sink when you can repair things.
ridiculous.
“Fixing things requires a certain level of stability.”
the necessary level of stability is far below what you clearly misunderstand.
We have that stability, what we need is political, legal and judicial actions liked the ones happening every day now fighting against the executive branch.
The literal nationwide protests by tens of thousands of citizens, judges, politicians and lawyers constitute that saving grace.
You vote in Dems, they will just delay the inevitable. You need something more…radical. A leftist Trump.
this article is literally about Bernie Sanders and AOC, the exact opposite force of trump.
you have the paragons you desire and insist you won’t support because of the color of their shirts.
too many Americans are such laxy defeatists.
See, your lack of reading comprehension is how I know Lemmy is just bots pretending to be human.
Dems aren’t steadying shit, they’re taking up space that could be used by someone to do something useful.
So when is the time? The midterms? The presidential election?
Reforming the democrats in four easy steps:
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Now’s not the time
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Not this year
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This is really a bad time, okay?
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Definitely not this year, are you crazy?
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Liberals have had over eight years to steady the ship, and they’ve spent that time alienating marginalized people and progressives and going farther and farther right with afaik no real resistance to trump. They’ve spent those eight years proving that we can’t trust them at all to stop fascism or repair its damage. We should probably be pushing progressive democrats to start a new party with other more left people (though I’d fully expect republicans and the remaining democrats to team up and destroy their campaign so idk)
Just in that one comment alone you’ve mentioned the liberals, the marginalised, the progressives, the fascists, the republicans, and the democrats. And that’s why I’m apprehensive that adding another noun in that list is going to make things better… the left needs to consolidate to a new centre for the left, not fracture into another direction that delays consolidation further.
What Bernie and AOC are begging of you is not to make the right move, but just to make a move. Get off your ass and run for office, any office, school board, city council, county board, local transit authority, state assembly member, Congress, fucking anything. You don’t have to choose the right party, worry about that later, the right choice is to just get out there and start running on your platform. Though they do strongly imply that it would be very, very helpful to primary the centrist, corporate Dems.
Only two parties is a sign of a First Past the Post voting system and people that understand basic electoral strategy.
incorrect, “patriot”
What a stunning and well thought-out rebuttal.
i hoped you might just be able to follow that. you’re welcome.
It’s a sign of corruption and rigging
political parties?
how?
Having only two parties cycling in power for a century is a sign of corruption and rigging
All splitting the left would accomplish is assuring Republicans never lose again. It’s the inevitable result of a First Past the Post voting system.
The more effective way of doing things is to primary all the corporate Dems and reform the Democratic Party from within. AOC did it in her district and there’s no reason it can’t work in others.
Unless you change how elections work and how politics are funded a new party in the US will always be dead on arrival.
A Bernie - AOC party would face immense hurdles as they lack the infrastructure and the funds the Democratic party has in place. On top of that corporate and oligarchic interests would all make sure to put in enough funding to ensure they will fail.
I love the energy but you have to be realistic. Their best bet would probably be to reform the Democratic Party from the inside.
Absolutely agreed. First thing we have to try is to make the party reform themselves. AOC and Bernie have the formula already - the DNC needs a massive push. Like a concerted pressure campaign.
It’s not going to be easy but fighting a lawless MAGA with Dems who seem to be stuck in 2012 would be much more difficult. At least now we have some hope because at least these two are out there building the support.
Now’s the best time. Maybe even have a few candidates in for the next election cycle.
not with this level of education and apathy. you make a new party, for everyone who’s heard of it, there’s going to be a thousand who haven’t, and even if they see your name on the ballot and like you they’ll just vote dem because they’re gonna think that’s what they should do.
remember that Google search for “did Biden drop out” peaked on election day, lots of people found out only when they saw the fucking ballot.
I must be missing something because … how does this matter if we can’t trust the election results?
Which? The recent or future? For the recent, it doesn’t matter. It has happened. For the future, it needs to be overwhelming. The opposing candidate to Trump need to win by a yuge margin, something where it is hard for the right wing captured media can lie about. Where people can FEEL it off. Pictures like this validates people’s perception of election results.
Look at the crowd size 🤏
It’s massive, what of it?
This is so disappointing. So much wasted energy, so Bernie & AOC can do as they always do and redirect activism to the party to die.
I hope at least this helps people make connections, and realize how strong our numbers really are.
We don’t need the party, and we don’t need to wait til elections to get this boot off of our neck. We can overwhelm with our numbers, and put a stop to this now.
then go do propaganda of the deed, step off of the indrect action folk. diversity of tactics runs both ways
This is PROOF that if Democrats want to Win another Election then they need to go FURTHER RIGHT and have Kamala Harris and Biden back!
Lol
Hopefully they ditch that dying party called DNC.
If Bernie or AOC were billionaires, this would matter.
It’s not going to matter anywhere but in local politics, but for the locals that manage to elect actual progressives, I envy you.
LOL
Personally i believe americans shouldn’t waste their time and resources supporting members of the red and blue party. To me it looks like these two only do PR for the blue party and for twitter.
The US system is setup to reward 2 parties only. Until that changes what choice to we have?
To me it looks like you don’t have a clue about their platform, the policies they support and have sponsored/voted for, or the realities of trying to win elections as a completely independent 3rd party.
Imagine if they were members of the republic party, would only the policies they sponsored matter?
Here’s an interesting comment i found on lemmy about AOC:
This is the way. Person does one thing that you don’t like, they should be excommunicated. Crush any opposition who doesn’t live up to the purity test. Doubly so if it’s a woman.
You know who were also purists…
It’s almost like no one in the West is going to be good enough to live up to your standards, hmm….
