This is straight up insane. There have been straight up at least 5 other such pacts between Nazi Germany and all the other western allied countries, and yet no one seems to claim that those countries were “allies” and “best buds” with the Nazis. In fact, the Soviets were literally the last ones out of all the European allies to sign a non aggression treaty with the Nazis.
Non Aggression pacts aside, to even go as far as to claim that these two nations were allies is even more insane than criticising the one singular pact itself. The Nazis were talking about “judeo bolshevism” for YEARS, spewing constant anti-soviet rhetoric, and publicly fantasising about invading and destroying the Soviet state. The other European allied nations even looked the other way when shit started to hit the fan because they deemed the nazis better than the communists.
Just throwing the Molotov Ribbentrop pact out there shows that you know next to nothing about WW2 history. Now let’s take a look at all the other such pacts before the Molotov Ribbentrop one even happened:
German–Polish Declaration of Non-Aggression - January 26, 1934
Anti-Comintern Pact between Nazi Germany and Japan (not a western allied nation but a straight up anti communist pact) - November 25, 1936
The Franco-German Declaration - December 6, 1938
German–Danish Non-Aggression Pact - May 31, 1939
German–Estonian Non-Aggression Pact - June 7, 1939
German–Latvian Non-Aggression Pact - June 7, 1939
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - 23 August 1939
In between these “non aggression pacts” there are the following other treaties as well:
Anglo-German Naval Agreement (1935): This agreement with the British allowed Germany the right to build a navy beyond the limits set by the Treaty of Versailles.
Munich Agreement (September 1938): The British, French, and Italy agreed to concede the Sudetenland to Germany in exchange for a pledge of peace. WWII began one year later, when Germany invaded Poland.
German-Romanian Economic Treaty (March 1939): This agreement established German control over most aspects of Romanian economy.
But go on, do tell me how this one piece of fascist propaganda you keep spewing stands. The Molotov RIbbentrop pact is heralded by all the anti-communist organisations as this one single golden proof to equate the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany, whereas in the actual reality, the Soviet Union was the last nation to sit at the same table with the Nazis before the war started. All the other “democracy spreading nations” you love so much broke bread with the Nazis way sooner than the Soviets did.
I stand by my words. Go pick up a book and get off your high horse.
Nice job completely ignoring the key difference between the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and the rest of those agreements: an alignment with Nazi Germany to STEAL LAND! Just like fascist Russia is doing again with Ukraine.
“Under the Secret Protocol, Poland was to be shared, while Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and Bessarabia went to the Soviet Union. The protocol also recognized the interest of Lithuania in the Vilnius region. In the west, rumoured existence of the Secret Protocol was proven only when it was made public during the Nuremberg trials”
You can try to re-write history all you want, but the Soviets/Russians were in alignment with Nazi Germany to further their imperialistic goals.
The soviets did what was right in order to protect polish jews and their own citizens from the german hordes. The nazi troglodytes made it extremely clear that they were going to attack the Soviet Union and leave nothing but scorched land behind them on their way to Moscow. Which they eventually did. The Soviet Union did the only smart thing at the time, which was to create a buffer zone while they were consolidating their military forces in order to eventually fight back against the germans, instead of just making the libs feel nice and letting the nazis take the entirety of Poland, as they were planning to anyways.
No they didn’t. They were opportunist imperialists who stole land to build their empire and subjugate people. Stop trying to whitewash the atrocities committed by the Soviet Union.
Those are no atrocities. The Soviet Union managed to save a ton of jews from the nazi hordes. In fact, most jews that stayed behind died in the Holocaust. The biggest group of jews that survived the holocaust were those deported from the frontlines by the soviets.
Are Jews the only people in the world? How the hell can you say there were no atrocities unless you are completely ignorant of soviet history or are pushing a made up socialist fantasy propaganda? The soviets subjugated millions of central and eastern Europeans and murdered and deported countless people in their ethnic cleansing schemes. I suggest you read up on the NKVD and the forced population transfers and actually speak to people who lived under forced soviet rule - it fucking sucked.
I’m Eastern European. I think I know my fair share of people who lived in socialist countries. Gladly, we’re not all willing to swallow fascist capitalist propaganda.
No. I do not have Russian heritage, nor does my family. I’m Romanian, with a bit of jewish and Czech ancestry. I was born in the 90s. My family is working class. As were my grandparents, and their parents, and so on. Peasants and workers. Always lived in Romania
This is straight up insane. There have been straight up at least 5 other such pacts between Nazi Germany and all the other western allied countries, and yet no one seems to claim that those countries were “allies” and “best buds” with the Nazis. In fact, the Soviets were literally the last ones out of all the European allies to sign a non aggression treaty with the Nazis.
Non Aggression pacts aside, to even go as far as to claim that these two nations were allies is even more insane than criticising the one singular pact itself. The Nazis were talking about “judeo bolshevism” for YEARS, spewing constant anti-soviet rhetoric, and publicly fantasising about invading and destroying the Soviet state. The other European allied nations even looked the other way when shit started to hit the fan because they deemed the nazis better than the communists.
Just throwing the Molotov Ribbentrop pact out there shows that you know next to nothing about WW2 history. Now let’s take a look at all the other such pacts before the Molotov Ribbentrop one even happened:
In between these “non aggression pacts” there are the following other treaties as well:
But go on, do tell me how this one piece of fascist propaganda you keep spewing stands. The Molotov RIbbentrop pact is heralded by all the anti-communist organisations as this one single golden proof to equate the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany, whereas in the actual reality, the Soviet Union was the last nation to sit at the same table with the Nazis before the war started. All the other “democracy spreading nations” you love so much broke bread with the Nazis way sooner than the Soviets did.
I stand by my words. Go pick up a book and get off your high horse.
Nice job completely ignoring the key difference between the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and the rest of those agreements: an alignment with Nazi Germany to STEAL LAND! Just like fascist Russia is doing again with Ukraine.
“Under the Secret Protocol, Poland was to be shared, while Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and Bessarabia went to the Soviet Union. The protocol also recognized the interest of Lithuania in the Vilnius region. In the west, rumoured existence of the Secret Protocol was proven only when it was made public during the Nuremberg trials”
You can try to re-write history all you want, but the Soviets/Russians were in alignment with Nazi Germany to further their imperialistic goals.
The soviets did what was right in order to protect polish jews and their own citizens from the german hordes. The nazi troglodytes made it extremely clear that they were going to attack the Soviet Union and leave nothing but scorched land behind them on their way to Moscow. Which they eventually did. The Soviet Union did the only smart thing at the time, which was to create a buffer zone while they were consolidating their military forces in order to eventually fight back against the germans, instead of just making the libs feel nice and letting the nazis take the entirety of Poland, as they were planning to anyways.
No they didn’t. They were opportunist imperialists who stole land to build their empire and subjugate people. Stop trying to whitewash the atrocities committed by the Soviet Union.
Those are no atrocities. The Soviet Union managed to save a ton of jews from the nazi hordes. In fact, most jews that stayed behind died in the Holocaust. The biggest group of jews that survived the holocaust were those deported from the frontlines by the soviets.
Are Jews the only people in the world? How the hell can you say there were no atrocities unless you are completely ignorant of soviet history or are pushing a made up socialist fantasy propaganda? The soviets subjugated millions of central and eastern Europeans and murdered and deported countless people in their ethnic cleansing schemes. I suggest you read up on the NKVD and the forced population transfers and actually speak to people who lived under forced soviet rule - it fucking sucked.
I’m Eastern European. I think I know my fair share of people who lived in socialist countries. Gladly, we’re not all willing to swallow fascist capitalist propaganda.
What country do you live in and when were you born? Do you consider yourself as having Russian heritage?
No. I do not have Russian heritage, nor does my family. I’m Romanian, with a bit of jewish and Czech ancestry. I was born in the 90s. My family is working class. As were my grandparents, and their parents, and so on. Peasants and workers. Always lived in Romania