By grifters you mean the only people willing to say that it’s okay for men to be men? Gee, I wonder why young men go to them rather than the ones telling them to man down.
I’m not defending Andrew Tate here. My point is that when there is nobody else for these young men to look up to then they go to the only ones available.
The point is that who do you expect the young men to go to? The only people willing to speak up for them are the types of Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Jocko Willink, David Goggins etc. Can you name a male role model you approve of?
These sharks have brains the size of a pea, they only acted on instinct, the male because he felt a procreation need and the female because sharks see everything as food that moves.
Humans are wildly different, we have recreational thoughts and can restrain our actions. That‘s good because males are on average much stronger than females and would absolutely force themselves on them if they had no moral compass.
Radicalisation on one side always leads to radicalisation on the other, ending up with both sides using the other’s ridiculous fringe ideas as justification for their own.
And it all starts from people reading the endless, pointless, contention-filled threads like this, where two sides are arguing bitterly about nonsense, not giving in an inch, and not resolving anything.
What do you mindless drones out there think this is doing to your brain? Has anyone of any gender been helped by reading any of these stupid arguments about sharks and bears?
The answer is no. The younger generation who was raised by these terrible posts and terrible, wastes-of-time arguments and persecution olympics is desperately, chronically ALONE.
So yah, lets all just keep stirring this soup of loneliness as we all train ourselves to stop socializing like humans and view everything through the lense of internet arguments. I’m sure it will start to show positive impact annnnny day now.
Cyberbullying german girls because the german word “digga” sounds similar to “nigger” and unironically advocating that germans shouldn’t use words that sound similar to slurs in english because “they should be responsible and avoid hurting others”.
Or tankies simping for the mass murder of “anti-revolutionaries” in the USSR or the PRC
WHY WOULD YOU HARASS A WOMAN THOUGH. Consequences of harassing a person after they asked you to stop is a weak ass to threaten to be a conservative. Bad reasoning. That’s just being aggressive and gross.
Yeah, several pieces of media that brought women prominently to a franchise that was lacking and my thought was that it seemed like a good direction.
Then half the time they go off on how a man would be too dumb, too selfish, or too violent to ever come up with such a good idea as the women. Often making the established male characters uncharacteristically dumber than usual to give the women time to shine.
Have the women, have then be strong, smart, independent. Don’t take frequent opportunities to take potshots at men in general. I know media has been doing this to women for decades, and it may be gratifying to turn things around for a change, but it’s just not great.
Exactly. It’s literally no surprise if you see how the woke left talks about men. Like what do we expect young impressionable boys to do? Lean into that and bear it or listen to the grifter asshats that tell them thats crazy and they are fine? I’m not saying it’s correct because it’s not, but that’s why this happened.
There’s a legitimate conversation to be had because of course patriarchical systems oppress men, but you can’t expect anyone to listen to that when everyone’s first brush with the people who want to change it is shit like this.
Tell them it’s not ok to harass women. Start with that. Hardly left leaning to ask a person to stop going out of their way to make women feel uncomfortable. Stop making that a male feature. It’s gross. This. This is where the problem is starting. You are not a victim if you harass a woman and don’t get away with it. Stop being gross.
Educate your sons that in the fish world this is pretty common for female fish to eat male especially after breeding and has no political standing. This isn’t to encourage women to hurt men. It’s fact over feelings. please stop radicalizing men over building this into misinformation.
So many young men are turning into conservatism not because of femenism but because of the patriarchy. They keep being told men have to do this and that to be real men (men don’t cry, men are the bread winners, househusbands are bad, men don’t talk about feelings etc) And you know what? They feel like there is no one to stand up for them and they start seeing the movement that is fighting against all these things in the name of women as their enemy and lash out against it and fall into the words of grifters.
Of course there are a bunch of femcels, terfs etc. that call themselves femenist that bastardize the movement by trying to put women over men or even all genders. Instead of taking the hand of these men and help them fight these old norms and start normalizing the extistence of househusbands and housewives. Make it ok for men to show feelings and fighting for actual equality.
So if you are a secure man and actually care for the future you should not be fighting but be supporting femenism.
I’m so sorry you’re getting downvoted. The fact that your comment currently has more downvotes than upvotes – for making accurate statements and supporting feminism – reflects why women don’t stick around on Lemmy. I think it’s time for me to leave too; I don’t want to be part of a community where this many men are anti-feminist. These guys should really take a class on feminism, sex, and gender studies.
Mean people like you truly puzzle me. How someone can actually get pleasure from saying hurtful things to complete strangers online is something I find deeply mysterious.
Psychotic People who reason a man who harasses a woman is somehow a victim and goes on a diatribe about their masculinity being threatened is what puzzles me. Don’t harass women. It’s not ok to harass women.
Honestly people act shocked that the younger generation of males in the world are conservative but this is what they see on a daily basis.
I’m all for feminism and equality but if you have to put someone down to lift yourself up that’s not helpful for anyone.
I’d put a lot more blame on the grifters purposely aiming to radicalise boys
Let’s not lie & pretend as if the “radicalization” (as you decided to call it) was created in a vaccuum
By grifters you mean the only people willing to say that it’s okay for men to be men? Gee, I wonder why young men go to them rather than the ones telling them to man down.
No. We mean people like andrew tate. These guys aren’t men, They’re assholes. They don’t teach you how to be “men”, they teach you how to be assholes.
No real man thinks he’s “high-value” and definitely doesn’t think women are worth less or deserve to be treated like shit.
That’s not real men, that’s assholes.
And yes, I’m gatekeeping the term “Man”.
I’m not defending Andrew Tate here. My point is that when there is nobody else for these young men to look up to then they go to the only ones available.
Name one good male role model you approve of.
Bob Ross
Steve Irwin
Bill Nye
Alton Brown
Sam Reich
Brenon Lee Mulligan
Ify Nwadiwe
Matt Mercer
Jazza (Josiah Alan Brooks)
Likely your dad/uncle/older brother, or a friend’s dad/uncle/older brother
A teacher
Just from the top of my mind I find Hank Green to be a pretty good role model
Those grifters are also misandric, e.g: pro-draft
The point is that who do you expect the young men to go to? The only people willing to speak up for them are the types of Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Jocko Willink, David Goggins etc. Can you name a male role model you approve of?
Trevor from CityCrusher, Prometheus or superman
You kidding, right? I almost said that Aragorn doesn’t count as they’re a fictional character.
Fictional or not, you copy their virtues. Men need role-models that will not use & discard them (like Andrew Tate)
It’s not okay to harass women. Stop defining that as a male feature. Gross.
Don’t act as if I said somethig I didn’t only because it’s then easier to argue against.
The shark was harassing her.
She said stop in animal language.
If you are personalizing this: you are the problem. You are not a victim.
Lmao at “The shark was harassing her”.
These sharks have brains the size of a pea, they only acted on instinct, the male because he felt a procreation need and the female because sharks see everything as food that moves.
Humans are wildly different, we have recreational thoughts and can restrain our actions. That‘s good because males are on average much stronger than females and would absolutely force themselves on them if they had no moral compass.
This kind of content is what pushes them to those grifters though.
What pushes people to grifters is reading endless, pointless internet arguments where neither side is compromising.
This is how we all learned to socialize, in bullshit threads like this, and this is why all you young people are so fucking lonely.
Radicalisation on one side always leads to radicalisation on the other, ending up with both sides using the other’s ridiculous fringe ideas as justification for their own.
And it all starts from people reading the endless, pointless, contention-filled threads like this, where two sides are arguing bitterly about nonsense, not giving in an inch, and not resolving anything.
What do you mindless drones out there think this is doing to your brain? Has anyone of any gender been helped by reading any of these stupid arguments about sharks and bears?
The answer is no. The younger generation who was raised by these terrible posts and terrible, wastes-of-time arguments and persecution olympics is desperately, chronically ALONE.
So yah, lets all just keep stirring this soup of loneliness as we all train ourselves to stop socializing like humans and view everything through the lense of internet arguments. I’m sure it will start to show positive impact annnnny day now.
There was no radicalization on the other side.
There definitely was.
Cyberbullying german girls because the german word “digga” sounds similar to “nigger” and unironically advocating that germans shouldn’t use words that sound similar to slurs in english because “they should be responsible and avoid hurting others”.
Or tankies simping for the mass murder of “anti-revolutionaries” in the USSR or the PRC
WHY WOULD YOU HARASS A WOMAN THOUGH. Consequences of harassing a person after they asked you to stop is a weak ass to threaten to be a conservative. Bad reasoning. That’s just being aggressive and gross.
Yeah, several pieces of media that brought women prominently to a franchise that was lacking and my thought was that it seemed like a good direction.
Then half the time they go off on how a man would be too dumb, too selfish, or too violent to ever come up with such a good idea as the women. Often making the established male characters uncharacteristically dumber than usual to give the women time to shine.
Have the women, have then be strong, smart, independent. Don’t take frequent opportunities to take potshots at men in general. I know media has been doing this to women for decades, and it may be gratifying to turn things around for a change, but it’s just not great.
Exactly. It’s literally no surprise if you see how the woke left talks about men. Like what do we expect young impressionable boys to do? Lean into that and bear it or listen to the grifter asshats that tell them thats crazy and they are fine? I’m not saying it’s correct because it’s not, but that’s why this happened.
There’s a legitimate conversation to be had because of course patriarchical systems oppress men, but you can’t expect anyone to listen to that when everyone’s first brush with the people who want to change it is shit like this.
Not bump into women repeatedly? What behaviour are you trying to defend here that is being attacked?
Tell them it’s not ok to harass women. Start with that. Hardly left leaning to ask a person to stop going out of their way to make women feel uncomfortable. Stop making that a male feature. It’s gross. This. This is where the problem is starting. You are not a victim if you harass a woman and don’t get away with it. Stop being gross.
Educate your sons that in the fish world this is pretty common for female fish to eat male especially after breeding and has no political standing. This isn’t to encourage women to hurt men. It’s fact over feelings. please stop radicalizing men over building this into misinformation.
Watch a documentary or two once in a while.
Someone else made the argument that this is common in other species but that argument goes out the window with the comment made in this picture.
They deliberately made this about feminism and that’s what I’m referring to here.
I’m not some fuckin moron who thinks the female shark ate the male because “girl power”
Meanwhile Incels constantly complain that “you can’t joke about anything”…
Well technically she ate the male shark cuz he was harassing her.
And feminism has come a long way of defending women as not being property to be harassed.
Eh, you’re a hopeless case. Back to the r/femaledatingstrategy forum with you, thanks!
Put the gun down incel.
So many young men are turning into conservatism not because of femenism but because of the patriarchy. They keep being told men have to do this and that to be real men (men don’t cry, men are the bread winners, househusbands are bad, men don’t talk about feelings etc) And you know what? They feel like there is no one to stand up for them and they start seeing the movement that is fighting against all these things in the name of women as their enemy and lash out against it and fall into the words of grifters.
Of course there are a bunch of femcels, terfs etc. that call themselves femenist that bastardize the movement by trying to put women over men or even all genders. Instead of taking the hand of these men and help them fight these old norms and start normalizing the extistence of househusbands and housewives. Make it ok for men to show feelings and fighting for actual equality.
So if you are a secure man and actually care for the future you should not be fighting but be supporting femenism.
I’m so sorry you’re getting downvoted. The fact that your comment currently has more downvotes than upvotes – for making accurate statements and supporting feminism – reflects why women don’t stick around on Lemmy. I think it’s time for me to leave too; I don’t want to be part of a community where this many men are anti-feminist. These guys should really take a class on feminism, sex, and gender studies.
Good lord, it’s a joke. I bet you are an incel
Mean people like you truly puzzle me. How someone can actually get pleasure from saying hurtful things to complete strangers online is something I find deeply mysterious.
Psychotic People who reason a man who harasses a woman is somehow a victim and goes on a diatribe about their masculinity being threatened is what puzzles me. Don’t harass women. It’s not ok to harass women.