However, tattoos can be compared to graffiti on a building in which an architect designed to be a certain color.
That comparison would require human skin to be the work of some designer, rather than a product of the genetic lottery. There is no intent behind skin colour, no particular way it’s supposed to look.
Men find tattoos on women attractive only if they’re small and in hidden places. This means that men prefer watching plain skin on women.
This is what I mean with “too subjective”:
My wife has a tatted arm and I’m egging her on to add more to it because I love them. I know for a fact that I’m by far not the only man to think so. Several communities I’m in each have a discord channel dedicated to sharing your tattoos, because we love them. Tattoos are pretty widespread in the Goth scene too and are becoming increasingly mainstream. I’ve not heard any of my peers complaining about them.
So unless you wanna go Texas Sharpshooting and start defining which men you’re talking about based on what you want to say about them, that statement is just plain bullshit. The only group of men I can think of that categorically don’t like tattoos are men that don’t like tattoos, and that’s as useless a description as it gets.
With skin, I’m not talking about skin color but its plainness.
Yes, it’s my interpretation that men prefer watching plain skin on women. I’m just trying to make sense of men finding tattoos on women attractive but only if they’re small and in hidden places. If something is attractive, wouldn’t it be desirable to have it highly visible?
Of course, there are groups which love tattoos. Tattoos are part of the Goth scene.
With skin, I’m not talking about skin color but its plainness.
That’s still not designer work. The genetic lottery doesn’t declare “this is what you’re supposed to look like”. It just spits out a genome and resulting appearance with all the consideration and passion of a die rolling off the table. The comparison with a thinking, feeling architect designing a building with deliberation and aesthetic intentions just doesn’t work.
Like I said, we could talk about whether graffiti is vandalism, but the same thing just doesn’t apply to human bodies any more than it applies to an homeowner painting their own walls.
Yes, it’s my interpretation that men prefer watching plain skin on women.
And I’m telling you that it’s just not true, at least not so broadly as you make it out to be.
I’m just trying to make sense of men finding tattoos on women attractive but only if they’re small and in hidden places.
I’ll strike that “but only” from that sentence because it’s not true, as I said before.
I know plenty of people with highly visible tattoos and plenty of guys (and gals) that find that attractive. Most of the tattooed women I know have or had relationships at some point, which implies that their tattoos aren’t a turnoff.
The allure that makes hidden tattoos attractive is the same thing that makes any other secret attractive, that makes conspiracy theories attractive, that makes occult practices attractive and that makes all the “doctors hate this trick” adverts work: To know something most people don’t makes you feel special. To have someone share their secret with you is a gesture of trust. And particularly to discover hidden things about the body of another is intimate on some level.
There is also a lingering issue where some people take offense to tattoos, which makes some employers less likely to hire people with visible tattoos in customer-facing jobs.
There is a worry that you might trust an investment advisor less if it’s a woman with visible ink, or refuse to buy coffee from a barista with something written on her arm. So long as that stigma remains, there is a reason to hide tattoos that has nothing to do with attraction:
Cunts who think they have the right to judge what others do with their own bodies.
The Brandeis study indicated that most men find body hair on women unattractive. This suggests that men innately find body hair on women unattractive. There is no genetic lottery, the dice are loaded.
Your hypothesis that the attractiveness of tattoos on women is that they are hidden is plausible but is counter intuitive since something beautiful would seemingly want to be shown such as earrings on women.
You contradict your own hypothesis that tattoos are attractive on women if they’re hidden. Consequently, you should have no problem with employers telling employees to cover their tattoos.
The Brandeis study indicated that most men find body hair on women unattractive. This suggests that men innately find body hair on women unattractive.
I don’t know that study or how representative it is, but even if it were, there are two glaring errors here:
The suggested link between stated opinion and some innate tendency overlooks the possibility that this opinion might be a cultural product, rather than some natural state. If we’re permanently exposed to media feeding us a particular beauty standard, that is going to shape our perception.
How people feel about body hair doesn’t have any immediate bearing on how they feel about tattoos. For instance, I could advocate for women shaving their legs so I can better see their leg tattoos. Not that I have any right to tell women (or anyone else) what to do with their body, of course.
In any event, that study also isn’t representative of the cultural environment I move in. I don’t know what culture you’re from to feel so strongly about this, but it certainly isn’t universal.
Your hypothesis that the attractiveness of tattoos on women is that they are hidden
My claim is that, specifically for hidden tattoos (regardless of the wearer’s sex), part of the appeal may be that they’re hidden. This isn’t the only reason tattoos might be attractive, just an appeal a specific subset may have (and not all within that subset either – some tattoos genuinely are ugly, but that doesn’t mean all are).
is counter intuitive since something beautiful would seemingly want to be shown such as earrings on women.
Pussies are beautiful too, but that doesn’t mean everyone wants to show them to the world. Some beautiful things are only shown to select people, and that’s fine.
But also, many beautiful tattoos are shown in public, and I love that, and I know many people who love that, and any claim that men categorically find them unappealing in women is just not representative.
You contradict your own hypothesis that tattoos are attractive on women if they’re hidden.
I made no claim that they are only attractive when hidden, or only when public, because attractiveness is generally nuanced and complex and can’t be broken down to absolutes like that.
Consequently, you should have no problem with employers telling employees to cover their tattoos.
How would that contradiction (or either position alone) imply any logical connection to what employers tell their employees or how I would feel about that?
I have a problem with the general expectation that customer service has to be conventionally attractive, but it’s particularly bad for women. Tattoos are just one notch on that tally of things that really shouldn’t matter in a professional context. If my tax advisor is ugly as sin, but gives good advice, they’re a good tax advisor.
The whole topic of tattoos, particularly when it’s straight men talking about women’s tattoos, often veers into men policing women’s bodies. Women don’t exist for your or my viewing pleasure. If you think they’re ugly, that’s your opinion. Even if it was a common opinion, it would still be an opinion.
Announcing “I don’t like this thing some people do” is a dick move in the first place. Let people enjoy things. Let them do with their bodies what they want.
But to make it specifically about women and keep doubling down? Fuck the fuck off. No half-baked attempt at providing scientific backing for sexism is gonna make it less sexist.
I’ve been trying to be charitable thus far, but let me be clear here: Tattoos, no matter the sex, gender, ethnicity, religion or favourite sports team of their wearer, are an expression of individuality. Whether or not they’re beautiful or attractive by any standard shouldn’t matter.
I happen to love them, but that’s incidental to my basic human respect for other people’s dignity.
That comparison would require human skin to be the work of some designer, rather than a product of the genetic lottery. There is no intent behind skin colour, no particular way it’s supposed to look.
This is what I mean with “too subjective”:
My wife has a tatted arm and I’m egging her on to add more to it because I love them. I know for a fact that I’m by far not the only man to think so. Several communities I’m in each have a discord channel dedicated to sharing your tattoos, because we love them. Tattoos are pretty widespread in the Goth scene too and are becoming increasingly mainstream. I’ve not heard any of my peers complaining about them.
So unless you wanna go Texas Sharpshooting and start defining which men you’re talking about based on what you want to say about them, that statement is just plain bullshit. The only group of men I can think of that categorically don’t like tattoos are men that don’t like tattoos, and that’s as useless a description as it gets.
With skin, I’m not talking about skin color but its plainness.
Yes, it’s my interpretation that men prefer watching plain skin on women. I’m just trying to make sense of men finding tattoos on women attractive but only if they’re small and in hidden places. If something is attractive, wouldn’t it be desirable to have it highly visible?
Of course, there are groups which love tattoos. Tattoos are part of the Goth scene.
That’s still not designer work. The genetic lottery doesn’t declare “this is what you’re supposed to look like”. It just spits out a genome and resulting appearance with all the consideration and passion of a die rolling off the table. The comparison with a thinking, feeling architect designing a building with deliberation and aesthetic intentions just doesn’t work.
Like I said, we could talk about whether graffiti is vandalism, but the same thing just doesn’t apply to human bodies any more than it applies to an homeowner painting their own walls.
And I’m telling you that it’s just not true, at least not so broadly as you make it out to be.
I’ll strike that “but only” from that sentence because it’s not true, as I said before. I know plenty of people with highly visible tattoos and plenty of guys (and gals) that find that attractive. Most of the tattooed women I know have or had relationships at some point, which implies that their tattoos aren’t a turnoff.
The allure that makes hidden tattoos attractive is the same thing that makes any other secret attractive, that makes conspiracy theories attractive, that makes occult practices attractive and that makes all the “doctors hate this trick” adverts work: To know something most people don’t makes you feel special. To have someone share their secret with you is a gesture of trust. And particularly to discover hidden things about the body of another is intimate on some level.
There is also a lingering issue where some people take offense to tattoos, which makes some employers less likely to hire people with visible tattoos in customer-facing jobs. There is a worry that you might trust an investment advisor less if it’s a woman with visible ink, or refuse to buy coffee from a barista with something written on her arm. So long as that stigma remains, there is a reason to hide tattoos that has nothing to do with attraction:
Cunts who think they have the right to judge what others do with their own bodies.
Don’t be a cunt.
The Brandeis study indicated that most men find body hair on women unattractive. This suggests that men innately find body hair on women unattractive. There is no genetic lottery, the dice are loaded.
Your hypothesis that the attractiveness of tattoos on women is that they are hidden is plausible but is counter intuitive since something beautiful would seemingly want to be shown such as earrings on women.
You contradict your own hypothesis that tattoos are attractive on women if they’re hidden. Consequently, you should have no problem with employers telling employees to cover their tattoos.
I don’t know that study or how representative it is, but even if it were, there are two glaring errors here:
In any event, that study also isn’t representative of the cultural environment I move in. I don’t know what culture you’re from to feel so strongly about this, but it certainly isn’t universal.
My claim is that, specifically for hidden tattoos (regardless of the wearer’s sex), part of the appeal may be that they’re hidden. This isn’t the only reason tattoos might be attractive, just an appeal a specific subset may have (and not all within that subset either – some tattoos genuinely are ugly, but that doesn’t mean all are).
Pussies are beautiful too, but that doesn’t mean everyone wants to show them to the world. Some beautiful things are only shown to select people, and that’s fine.
But also, many beautiful tattoos are shown in public, and I love that, and I know many people who love that, and any claim that men categorically find them unappealing in women is just not representative.
I made no claim that they are only attractive when hidden, or only when public, because attractiveness is generally nuanced and complex and can’t be broken down to absolutes like that.
The whole topic of tattoos, particularly when it’s straight men talking about women’s tattoos, often veers into men policing women’s bodies. Women don’t exist for your or my viewing pleasure. If you think they’re ugly, that’s your opinion. Even if it was a common opinion, it would still be an opinion.
Announcing “I don’t like this thing some people do” is a dick move in the first place. Let people enjoy things. Let them do with their bodies what they want.
But to make it specifically about women and keep doubling down? Fuck the fuck off. No half-baked attempt at providing scientific backing for sexism is gonna make it less sexist.
I’ve been trying to be charitable thus far, but let me be clear here: Tattoos, no matter the sex, gender, ethnicity, religion or favourite sports team of their wearer, are an expression of individuality. Whether or not they’re beautiful or attractive by any standard shouldn’t matter.
I happen to love them, but that’s incidental to my basic human respect for other people’s dignity.