After some looking I found this but I can’t access the entire article and it is from Bezos’ bible.

There’s also this but I have yet to read beyond the abstract.

And this article critiques the methodology behind the “7-10 million dead” number, putting it at 3-4 million instead.

Coward

Yeah, I was just hoping you had a good one. Let me know if you want a bunch of bookmarks.

Israeli propaganda wings aren’t just ignoring rising Nazism and holocaust denial; they’re practically in full collaboration with it.

Just like they were back then.

Ad hominem

more people died per capita in other parts of the Soviet Union than in Ukraine,

I remember seeing this sourced some times, but I haven’t been able to find a good one myself. Would you happen to have one?

1. I do not believe you have done that yourself.

2. I did, and you have ignored it.

Since you’re so fond of wikipedia articles

Why do you insist on downplaying the holocaust?

It’s so typical. I usually just call them out when I see them do it to others. It’s funny how often they just go radio silent - Or they otherwise either decide to pick one specific thing to hone in on, or they will play obtuse or they will start to google for more articles that support their claims, but they haven’t read them themselves - Something this guy does in this thread “Read the footnotes in the article I linked you”. Yeah buddy, you definitely studied all the references yourself. (And I did bring up some of the footnotes, which they also haven’t addressed lol.)

I got a comment removed for being “uncivil” when I pointed out someone was doing this. It’s apparently such a core part of the character of liberals that pointing out the action is considered rude.

Edit: I forgot to mention when they make up some breach of civility or indecency in order to get out of a discussion without addressing the arguments presented.

Coward

Lmao this guy trusts wikipedia as an unbiased source on political questions.

It states “as high as 148 million” and then uses This online article as a source - An article that , apart from being incredibly flawed, is discussing death by famine, which the Wikipedia then uses as its foundation for “mass killing”. The academic work in the article is questionable, to say the least, and it is odd to use a source discussing famine to support claims of “killings” - Especially without adressing that discrepancy.
Following the same methodology the modern western governments are responsible for billions of deaths.

We could go through every source and the general methodology and find issues all the way throughout (Like quoting Zbigniew Brzezinski lmao wtf, that would be like using Beria as a source on NATO warcrimes. So much for “unbiased” or “neutral”), but I won’t waste my time, because I know to people like you the idea of dismissing wikipedia is akin to heresy to a spaniard in the 1700’s.

edit: I should also mention the “as low as 10-20 million” is equally fraught and disingenuous. If we are going to count something ridiculous like the claims of some random dumbass on the internets, then we ought to do the same for the low estimate - Which would be about 0 then.

2x edit: Forgot to mention that you’re talking specifically about soviets, while referring to an article that’s just generally about “communist mass killings.” Seems like you don’t know what you’re talking about and you just search for any article to back you up when pressured, without actually understanding the content of the article. Typical, but still sad.

One has to wonder on the methodology of the article, what constitutes a “communist” mass killing? It makes allusions to both the USSR and PRC, neither of which claimed or claims to be communist, but rather socialist. This is such a basic error that it is hard to take anything written seriously. If I gave you an article on US atrocities and the article referred to the US as “The Collected States of America” then you’d probably find it disreputable at best.
If the authors of the article can’t even get such a basic thing right, then I have little faith in the quality of the rest of it.

I didn’t want to waste my time reading the drivel closely, but I could see the other source of the 148 million claim included the Khmer Rouge - a regime installed and backed by the US. How does that fall under “communist”? By that same line of reasoning the US is responsible for every killing done under one of its puppet regimes. Any bourgeois dictatorship would make even The Shining Path look like lambs.

Whataboutism is a concept cooked up by a british columnist in order to dismiss IRA criticism of actions taken by the british army. It was then popularised by a zionist to dismiss palestinians.

Also, you’re using it wrong. “Whataboutism” is not just “whenever someone mentions anyone doing anything” it is especially not “whataboutism” when someone gives context to actions and accusations.

CNN? The same CNN that is being blocked by the White House?

Yes. I think you are aware enough to understand how disingenuous your argument is.

Soviet rule killed tens of millions. And was not democratic.

Mfw I still belive “Black Book of Communism” numbers.

Are you saying Gorbachev should not have pursued glasnost or perestroika?

Yes. I think the mass death, destitution and loss of QoL caused by shock doctrine - which would not have occured without Gorbachev - was actually a bad thing. I think it’s bad when we do something that creates a bunch of child prostitutes, but I suppose you’re allowed to disagree on that one.

That the Berlin Wall should not have come down?

I wonder why the socialists in charge in East Germany felt like they might need to have some control over who enters crosses the border from a country full of nazis who, very recently, killed all of their comrades.

Let’s see: Nazis in Germany post-war were hired and brought directly back into:

• Official posts within the federal government and its ministerial cabinets
• into the upper judiciary and magistrates
• into local governance
• elevated and hired into immense wealth in industry and finance, or just kept where they already were in industry and finance
• hired into forming the Nazi core of the West German intelligence and secret police agencies (which would become today’s German agencies) under the protective auspices of the OSS/CIA; who made extensive use of their networks of executioners and collaborators to prop up US-backed dictatorships and cartels and use as anti-communist stay-behind guerilla terrorists by the CIA and NATO (and brought into the CIA and FBI themselves, and into MI6 and Mossad)
• into German academia and universities as faculty and professors,
• to write western history books at the behest and with support of the US Army and OSS/CIA to sanitize their own crimes
• all those hired into NATO and into the EU
• into positions of power in West Germany (and all the NATO countries, helping in and helped by Gladio violently purging the communists) in such saturation and such impunity that it caused the formation of left wing militant groups that would assassinate and kidnap them.

but other than all of that though!

(And that’s not even mentioning the Nazis and collaborators which made up the origins of Radio Free Europe/Liberty, the “Victims of Communism Foundation” which grew out of the fascist-filled anti-Soviet “Captive Nations Lobby” headed by OUN-B Nazis from Ukraine, and all the Operation Aerodynamic, Operation Paperclip, Operation Sunrise, Operation Beladonna, Operation Lynx, etc etc.)

Given that, I find the berlin wall to be pretty reasonable.

In the world where countries do have nukes, I think Iran should have nukes. In a world without nukes I think they should also not have them.

In the world where countries do have nukes, I think Iran should have nukes. In a world without nukes I think they should also not have them.

I think Iran should have nukes

If he is unwilling to land, when ordered? Yes. He is guilty of committing war crimes, they are supposed to do something about that.

But what about the rules based international order?

would of literally their

Sure thing boss