Yes, but people also misuse the idea that’s it’s misused to shut people up.

E.g.: hey maybe we shouldn’t starve children to death?

Zionist: wow why do you only criticise Israel like this, you anti-semite!

Point goes unanswered, OP probably feels the need to defend themselves instead of pursuing their valid point.

Alternatively…

Racist: some groups are just not compatible with western culture

Someone: you can’t make assumptions about massive groups of people. Many people come to the west because they don’t agree with their culture. To assume everyone from one place is the same is racist.

Racist: wow there you go! Don’t engage just scream “racist” at everyone you don’t like.

Again, point goes unanswered. The person probably feels the need to defend this accusation again

What I saw a lot of on Lemmy was democrat supporters and voters insisting that people will just hold their nose and vote for Harris and accusing anybody angry about the ongoing genocide of either supporting Trump or playing into the hands of Russia.

Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.

Did I do that? Very confused.

The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t.

Ah yes, it’s all the voters’ fault.

If only the DNC had any power at all in this situation or ability to influence the actions of voters…

Okay, so I would be equally justified in saying: Liberals, this is what you get when you assume people must vote for you.

THANK YOU. This far down the road and they’re still ignoring this aspect.

Yes protest voters choosing to make things worse for Palestine and everyone in the US is stupid.

AND liberals and especially the party leadership made a huge miscalculation in assuming everyone would vote for “not Trump.”

Both contributed to the loss. Which is more to blame? There’s a discussion to be had there but imo the overall electoral strategy is a much bigger issue than a handful of stupid people who didn’t vote or voted Trump over this one particular issue

Yeah absolutely! My frustration is more that everyone chose to cede this rhetorical ground to them because of their already-obvious lies. It kind of implies it would be bad if some weren’t Jewish

U.N. experts, jurists, genocide scholars including numerous Jews in Israel and around the world, national leaders, and human rights groups including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Jewish Voice for Peace, and CodePink are among those accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza.

Who was this part for?

“Ah yes I was not convinced by the genocide scholars, but you’re telling me some of them are Jewish? Then it must be true.”

Obviously such a person does not exist, but the Zionist mob has everyone so god damn afraid we’ve started sticking yellow stars to people willingly.

Like I get it - why give them the ammunition - but also fuck this shit.

You don’t need a cease fire to not attack unarmed aid ships. You just need a single fucking ounce of morality or respect for international law.

They did a minor retcon later. The scene is shown again and as well as the original shadow (And nibbler’s eye in the bin), you see Fry’s shadow too, since he time travels back there in the Why of Fry. Unfortunately I can’t remember which episode this is in at the minute

It’s funny how you can flat out accuse someone of lying about their vote because you simply don’t believe them and that is totally fine, but when I pointed out the issues with doing that this is “uncivil” and must be removed.

This person told you how they voted. The only reason you don’t believe them is because you have been lied to and you have bought into the lies. People mad about the current line on Gaza are generally not voting Trump, they are just mad at Biden and Harris. Perhaps if you have a zero sum mindset this is difficult to understand but it really is very simple.

This is exactly why this discussion is insufferable. You have literally been told how this person voted but you are so convinced by your own bullshit (ie that anyone mad about US support for genocide must, for some god damn reason, support Trump) that you don’t even believe it.

I cannot wait for the 6th so that we can have this conversation without it getting sidetracked by overly loyal democrats condescendingly explaining how first past the post works as if we don’t know already.