• rumba@lemmy.zip
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          no, we really don’t. 200 years is nothing on the scale of humanity. We have Nazi’s resurging, the south trying to rise again. We have peaceful protests trying to be outlawed and the administration regularly calling for the death of their opponents.

          None of this will change without the thread of violence, and likely they’ll call on that.

          The violent coup in DC a few years ago was just them telling us they were ready to be violent.

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            Diplomacy, conflict resolution, etc. Not really motivated to fight against the tide of lemmy people sipping koolaid. But if you step outside the echo chamber, it’s mostly common sense.

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              Kinda funny how you’re talking about an echo chamber when you yourself are just repeating the mainstream media talking points about diplomacy. There is a reason why they promote peaceful solutions, it’s because they’re easier to ignore or quash.

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      The American Revolution, the violent uprising that gave these assholes governmental power, proves otherwise.

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        Though the ideas espoused for the revolution might be grand, the cause and motivation behind those who joined the revolution was purely monetary.

        • Rich didn’t like being taxed so they made their slaves join the army.
        • George Washington didn’t like the fact that the British having lost the French Indian war made a pact with the Indians which stopped his business of prospecting.

        The American revolution was a war of businessmen against the government in England. The government was and is the same; in the past only rich, land owning white men could vote or form government. Now it is the corporations or rich white men.

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            There have been a few that weren’t violent, too. Portugal, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine getting rid of their Russian-installed quisling, South Korea.

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        I say this as an American. Half the “Founding Fathers” were slave owners and did not see a problem with subgrating other humans into forced labor. The American enterprise has been a business all the way back to the first white man setting foot on this continent. I guess I just proved you talking point.

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          “How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?”

          as Samuel Johnson argued during the American revolution. Apologies for unenlightened 18th-century language.

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            It is OK. I got my Masters in 18th and 19th century lit. Johnson was right on the money with that quote and I say that as an American.

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      Violence generally doesn’t get what you want out of the system.

      Changes made during peace only last until someone willing to be violent undoes them.

      Changes must come with a small amount of fear of retribution on reversal, or capitalism/authoritarianism will come and eat your lunch.