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    I’ve been thinking about it, and I can only name 3 dishes that were uniquely created in the USA (so no General Tsao Chicken), that were not an old recipe with a changed ingredient because it’s hard to get the original (so no Jambalaya), or were not just bigger sandwiches (so no Italian sandwich):

    Gumbo.

    Pumkin pie.

    Buffalo wings (but I’m not sure if this can be called a dish, as its so simple its more like a snack, and its fast food).

    If someone can think of more, please advise - I’m extremely curious.

    Edit: Etouffe is also one.

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      It depends on how you define “uniquely created in the USA”.

      Frybread has a rich and complex history within the USA, and I would argue it’s very much “uniquely created in the USA” but most variations have a pretty much identical recipe to hungarian lángos.

      Also a lot of USA food is very regional. Hawaii has a lot of unique foods, such as loco moco, spam musubi, etc. but would be unrecognizable to most USAians.

      Teriyaki dishes are technically Japanese, but the Pacific northwest has taken the concept and run with it to the point where it’s now it’s own unique creation. It also has cheese zombies, jojos, Seattle dog, huckleberry everything, etc.

      Southwest USA and Mexican have a lot of overlap but are also just as distinct with “Tex-mex” being it’s own culinary thing. Puffy tacos, chili con queso, cornbread, cowboy caviar, nachos, etc.

      Midwest, Alaskan, southern, east-coast, Puerto Rican, etc. all also have their own unique culinary traditions at this point with lots of micro-regional distinctions within them.

      However, they aren’t marketed, advertised or popularized in the same way that things like “Chinese food” is. Despite “American-Chinese food”, like general Tsao, or orange chicken, being very much it’s own genre that is unrecognizable as either traditional/old recipe USA or Chinese foods.

      To discover many of these things you can’t just “tourism” through but have to actually try to know and understand the people and places.

      Conversely, it’s not like Italian food stops being Italian due to its use of “new world” food stuffs like tomatoes, or pasta is any less “Italian” despite it just being Chinese noodles with a few changed ingredients.

      If you insist on playing that game you’ll find nothing is unique.

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        spam musubi

        That’s sushi with spam. I wouldn’t call that unique because how similar it is to any other sushi, its just an ingredient replacement. Now if the spam was specifically seasoned or prepared then yeah, it’d be a unique snack.

        Frybread is basically hungarian lángos

        And deep fried podpłomyk recipe is also very similar.

        loco moco

        I can’t find anything like it, or from similar ingredients, so I’d call it unique. They are similar dishes, but either with more than 1 ingredient removed, or lacking the complexity.

        cheese zombies, jojos, Seattle dog, huckleberry everything, etc.

        Grilled cheese sandwich, potato wedges, hot dog with a different ingredient, huckleberry is an ingredient, not a dish.

        Southwest USA and Mexican have a lot of overlap but are also just as distinct with “Tex-mex” being it’s own culinary thing. Puffy tacos, chili con queso, cornbread, cowboy caviar, nachos, etc.

        Igredient replacement, literally not a dish but a dip, Native American, a bean salad, nachos are Mexican. Tex-mex I think is mostly one ingredient replacement. Literally you had a lot of beef and cheese and that’s how you made Mexican recipes.

        Midwest, Alaskan, southern, east-coast, Puerto Rican

        Midwest and Alaskan, as well as east-coast, those three sound most promising. Can you maybe tell a bit more about them?

        Southern is likely to be European cuisine with one ingredient replacement, Puerto Rico is famously a territory of the USA, but not a state :-)

        pasta is any less “Italian” despite it just being Chinese noodles with a few changed ingredients.

        Yeah, pasta is not a unique Italian dish. It was invented by so many cultures independently. Bolognese sauce on the other hand is, as I can’t find any other similar dish that was invented independently from it. Do you see the distinction I’m looking for?

        Edit: you might wonder why then I count pumpkin pie as a unique - the main ingredient changed, and you often add caramel and pecan pies on top, making it significantly different than other pies.

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    My favorite part was Rick and Morty calling it out as sugar chicken.

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    Came from Italy and to be fair I didn’t try too much American food, I guess some corn meal and pancakes, meat was really good; but the real greatest thing I found in the US is the HUGE sandwiches they make in the Publix supermarket. Great stuff, loved it.

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      Those sandwiches also come in regional variations up north. Grinders or Hoagies.

      My wife took me to a local deli where she grew up in CT. I got a meatball sub.

      The roll was from my finger tips to my elbow. it had 4 meatballs on it bigger each than my fist. It was around $12.

      She got the same, but a pepperoni version with tomatoes and lettuce. Each one had to have been 5 lbs of meat.

      In New Jersey I got a hoagie, the bread was so big, you couldn’t close your grip around it using both hands

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    Maybe “American Food” should stop pretending to be from somewhere else, then we would respect (some of) it.

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    I’m a white boy but in highschool my best friend was 1st-generation Chinese-American.

    His parents owned a Chinese restaurant that I worked at…Americanized Chinese, like everyone in America is used to.

    While I worked there his parents also opened up an authentic Chinese restaurant.

    Most of the stuff on the menu, Americans would ball at. There were dead ducks and pigs hanging in the window.

    But I tried cow tongue there for the first time. It was amazing. And something else with white sauce I don’t remember what it was but it was so damn good.

    I had a falling out with him, and the parents lost their restaurants in COVID.

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    Fuck all of you. Go to New Orleans in a week when crawfish season starts and eat some mud bugs, some blackened redfish, jambalaya, gumbo, cajun crawfish etouffee, etc. Best food in the world.

    Also, king cakes.

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      Out of all the dishes you mentioned, only Gumbo is a uniquely USA dish.

      Jambalaya is an African recipe with an ingredient change to match what was available.

      Mudbugs are eaten everywhere where they are present, and I personally think that Polis Zupa Rakowa is the best usage of that ingredient. If were talking about the mudbug boil, every cousine I know of that has access to them have similar recipe.

      Blackened redfish is uhhh… Hot pan with spices to pretend its grilled (ingenious, but not a unique dish https://www.foodrepublic.com/1631780/origin-why-redfish-banned/)

      Crawfish etouffee - huh, I think it’s also an invention. The cooking method and igredients seem to be unique enough that its visibly distinct from any other similar dish that I know of and could check the recipe of.

      Courtbullion on the other hand is too similar to French one that I would call it a variation, instead of an unique invention.

      (Does that make sense? I’m not trying to diminish other foods but to showcase how unique Gumbo and etouffe are)

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      That’s a no for me. Although I do make a version of jambalaya with no seafood and extra spicy. I love the heat and the seasonings but I’ll pass on crawfish, shrimp and anything else that filters shit as a food source.

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        When I think of New Orleans I think of Mardi Gras where I can flash my tiddies and earn colorful shiny strings of beads. But imagine my surprise when I realized I could buy colorful shiny beads at the Dollar Tree and not even have to travel to Louisiana and expose myself.

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        They told you all the best stuff honestly. If you’re into alcohol you’ll have no trouble finding it. Amazing city though. The food culture there is incredible.

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          NoLA is for sure a food and drinking town but the music shouldnt be slept on either

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    Plain hotdog and Cheeseburger, are staple american foods lol.

    And deep fried butter.

    You guys have your own cuisine, it’s just a lame one.

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      I wonder where this idea originates. As an American, I genuinely don’t know of any restaurant that serves any of this (although I suppose you could special order “plain” things most anywhere in the world). I can’t begin to guess what people eat in the privacy of their own kitchens, but no one I know serves themselves these foods, either. I will say I’ve heard the same lore of “deep fried butter” existing at Midwestern fairs somewhere, but again, I’ve never encountered such a thing irl.

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    Every culture takes/mixes foods from other cultures and makes it their own. I think the difference with the US is that there isn’t an ancient history to form a basis.

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        In significant swathes of the US the natives were more or less successfully exterminated so there’s no clear cultural line from ancient natives to the people living there today.

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          This comment is an example of how that process continues. The original colonizers did their damnedest to try and erase those cultural lines and draw over them with their own.

          Those cultural lines are faint, and per capita extremely weak, but that’s why it’s important to amplify them and highlight them when and where they exist instead of disregarding, ignoring and blurring them further.

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        Stop it, you know what I mean. I’m talking European colonials which formed the basis for the modern US, even if it shouldn’t be that way. They stole Native American food too. The combination of these things formed the basis of “American” cuisine, but it wasn’t long ago in a historical sense.

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      Every culture takes/mixes foods from other cultures and makes it their own.

      Perhaps more importantly, every generation remixes their parents’ and grandparents’ food.

      French, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and Mexican food aren’t the same as they were 50 years ago. Lots of new dishes were invented and remixed, sometimes from imported influence. It’s not like chefs sit around and refuse to do anything different from how they learned. They do invent and innovate and tweak recipes. That’s, like, the job.

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        That is an interesting point and I want to add three cents to it.

        Sometimes diasporas preserve the original recipes better than the country of origin. An example of it are some Polish dishes that were preserved closer to the original than in Poland, because when Poland was under USSR occupation there were severe food shortages and some recipes had to evolve or were literally forgotten.

        (IIRC that was just a few cakes and pastries, but hey, it still happened!)

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      Ketchup as close as we know it comes from the Philippines right? So there goes that whole thing.

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          Maybe its Chinese altogether since Chinese and other Asian people would travel to the Philippines to catch a ride to the US and Mexico to then go to Europe. They would leave a trial of kids and culture back and forth. Similarly Mexicans in the Philippines, Europe and even Japan and China do exist.

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      Yes. I view Chinese American food as American food. Sweet General Tso’s Chicken, orange chicken, fortune cookies, crab rangoons, etc. Basically anything they overly sweetened.

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      Most of what constitutes “traditional” American cuisine is broadly based on European traditions, with British, French, Italian, and German influences being the most dominant. Though many of the recipes have changed and evolved over time, you can still see the influences pretty clearly.

      Take the classic Thanksgiving dinner, for instance: although many of the ingredients (such as sweet potatoes and turkey) were unknown in Europe, the way they are prepared is still very similar to how Europeans prepare traditional holiday roasts.

      Also, a “proper” meal generally consists of a chunk of meat, veggies, and carbs, usually all prepared separately, or sometimes as a casserole or a stew. Stir-frying is not that common, for instance, but frying, roasting and baking is. If you look into the history of any particular American dish, its roots can often be traced back to the exact wave of immigration that went on to popularize it.

      Depending on the region, however, you may also find Native American influences, such as Creole, Cajun, Tex-Mex, etc.

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        I’m glad someone brought up Native American influence. It’s more widespread in American food than people realize.

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          I mean, technically, even the use of tomatoes or potatoes is Native American influence. Except those have become so ubiquitous in European cuisine that no one would even consider for a moment that they were completely unknown there just 500 years ago. Imagine Italian food without tomatoes, or German food without potatoes…

          Corn as well, though that didn’t catch on quite as much on the continent, where it’s still mostly a boring vegetable, while Americans use it to bake as well (not to mention putting it into literally everything ever since they figured out HFCS).

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    Fusion kitchens are the best and maybe the only good thing to come out of colonialism. Indonesian-Dutch food slaps. Vietnamiese-French cuisine kicks my ass. Must I bring up Italian coffee or Swiss chocolate? Turkish-German Döner is so popular it is sold basically everywhere now.

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      Fusion kitchens are the best and maybe the only good thing to come out of colonialism

      Well, there’s also a pretty good music that jazz doesn’t happen the way it did without putting European instruments in the hands of formerly enslaved Africans. Would be a lot cooler world if we could figure out how to evolve our art and culture without crimes against humanity, tho.

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        said cultural exchange happens without colonialism. look at sweet potatoes.

        that’s like saying well, without rape, there wouldn’t be rape babies, and implying that we should thank rapist for their lives.

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          Things like cane sugar could never grow anywhere near a Northern climate. If you want that to influence an entire continent’s food you can only do that through an incredibly unfair deal (like cash crop colonialism).

          You certainly don’t get a ton of culinary creativity when you’re paying a fair (read: expensive) price for goods grown halfway around the world. They’re too precious to be anything but a novelty for the rich.

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      I want to protest the Döner one. Other countries sell something they call Döner, but the similarity is superficial at best to a real one. It’s a fun little thing I do on vacation in other European countries: try to find a “Döner” and see what travesty they give me

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          … One time I asked for a doner in Stuttgart. And they ask me “Spicy or no Spicy?” I am curious so I say Spicy. It’s fucking curry. They added some sort of Indian curry to a kebab.

          So yeah, I don’t know if it’s a normal thing in Germany, but I am judging you as an entire nation over this. It wasn’t even bad, it was pretty good actually. Just… Why?

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          Most often the changes I saw till now is the missing (red) cabbage and the bread is different.

          But yeah, I’m with you: I haven’t yet found one that is better or even equal to the real one

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            I also don’t find many places near me that have the mystery meat on the spindle. That’s a prerequisite. I also don’t know what’s in the “scharf” sauce but it seems hard to find too.

            Edit

            I have to assume that in Germany, there is one or a couple food distributors who sell all the ingredients, since they’re pretty consistent through all the independent shops. Why don’t they just export everywhere?!

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        Yeah I feel you. The Belgian dürüm variety is actually quite good, if very different. Fries in there and a crazy sauce selection absolutely slaps.

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      Turkish-German Döner is so popular it is sold basically everywhere now.

      I fucking wish. I lived in France 20+ years ago and loved the stuff. Came back to the US and have been waiting to see a good Döner kebab for over 2 decades now.

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          Shawarma is the closest I’ve found, but it’s not quite the same. Gyros usually are made with pitas, which isn’t how the kebabs I used to eat were made.

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      And every brit is legally required to bring up chicken tikka masala when talking about fusion food.

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    My wife is Australian, but we live in Germany now. Last year, she was craving “Honey Chicken” which is ubiquitous at Chinese takeaway places in Australia. None of the Chinese places in Germany knew what I was talking about. Turns out Honey Chicken is a purely Australian invention.

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      Sounds good! Is it close to orange chicken or General Tso’s chicken in the USA?

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        We have honey chicken commonly in the US too. It is essentially orange chicken without the orange flavor/color.

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          Yeah our “Chinese” places usually just do chicken in a bunch of ways that may or may not be from Asia.

          Chicken with Broccoli, Chicken and snow peas or mixed vegetables, Moo Goo Gai Pan, Curry Chicken, Szechuan Chicken, Mongolian Chicken, Kung Pao, Chicken with Cashews, Hunan with black bean sauce, hot and spicy, black pepper w/ onion, Coconut, sweet and sour, lemon, honey, sesame, Bourbon, Orange, General Tsos.

          Is it all Chinese influence, no. The people making it know, the people eating it know, but if they called it “Chicken Many ways” then you wouldn’t know they sold dumplings, pork and what not, lol.

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      @fell
      > Turns out Honey Chicken is a purely Australian invention

      Like butter chicken from Indian restaurants … in the anglophone world only, apparently. What is with us anglophones and our propensity for consuming jungle fowl in yellowish fluids?

      @FoxtrotDeltaTango

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          @RecursiveParadox
          > butter chicken is indigenous but tikka masala is the BIR style dish

          Wikipedia agrees with you. I’m convinced. Who knew? I guess maybe the names confused the people who told me that. A name like “tikka masala” sounds traditional, while I can’t think of anything more anglophone sounding than “butter chicken” ; )

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          And both are fucking delicious (and honestly pretty similar, mostly with the tomato being less “in your face” with the murgh makhani).

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    [off topic?]

    Great classic mystery novel, “Too Many Cooks” by Rex Stout. Nero Wolfe is a 300 pound private detective who hates leaving his Manhattan brownstone. He investigates from his armchair, sending his assistant Archie Goodwin to round up clues and bring him folks to interrogate.

    Wolfe is a famous gourmand and is invited to give a speech on American food to a group of European chefs.

    Interesting novel on many levels.

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    Umm… it’s not mexican, chinese or italian but also american food doesn’t exist?

    I can’t tell if this was the joke or the meme just wants to shit on americans for stealing and mangling everyone’s food…

    Also, jalapeño poppers.

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      I think the joke is that Americans like to adopt foods or cooking techniques from other cultures, then change them to fit local tastes. This is how a lot of “traditional American” foods came to be. There is also a stereotype that American cultural practices (gastronomy included) are “not real” or that American culture as a concept doesn’t exist because it comes as a fusion of cultural practices from other countries. The meme is poking fun at people who may hold that belief.

      People also have a habit of describing the American versions of things to be “not real”, even if it never really claims to be. For example, fettuccine Alfredo in the US is an adaptation of fettuccini al burro (a real Italian dish), but is described as “not real Italian food” because it isn’t actually eaten in Italy. Or that orange chicken is “not real Chinese food” because it isn’t eaten in China. Which, to be fair, is true, but most American diners are aware that Panda Express, Olive Garden, and Taco Bell aren’t accurate representations of food eaten in China, Italy, or Mexico. They’re Americanised versions of food inspired by Chinese, Italian, and Mexican cuisine.

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        Notably, Americans are not the only culture that does this.

        There’s a Thai dish called ‘American Fried Rice’ for instance.

        American fried rice is a Thai fried rice dish with “American” side ingredients like fried chicken, ham, sausages, raisins, and ketchup.[1] Other ingredients like pineapples and croutons are optional.

        At least in any part of America I’ve been to, this is certainly not something you can get here.

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          I’m pretty sure all cultures adapt and learn from other cultures. That’s just how human culture develops. Vietnamese takes on French favourites resulted in bahn mi and Vietnamese coffee, both of which are very good. Poor Hongkongers wanting to eat like Brits resulted in Hong Kong’s famously weird “Cha chaan teng” food and Hong Kong-style milk tea. And, of course, Europeans went crazy over Mesoamerican chocolate and created a cornucopia of confectionery products made from the cacao bean.

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            You’re right, this is normal. Off the top of my head:

            • tempura originated because of the trade between the portuguese and japanese

            • portuguese monopoly on cinnamon trade with Sri Lanka and India, allowed Europe to get it for cheap and it became a main ingredient in a lot of desserts and confections

            • the UKs tea culture came from a portugese noblewoman, who learned it from China

            Cultures are constantly taking ideas from each orher

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            I learned about it from a story I heard of someone who traveled from the US to Thailand, saw it on the menu at a restaurant and ordered it, expecting it to be the sort of fried rice you’d get in the US at an Asian restaurant. They were unpleasantly surprised.

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            I felt the same way, and I’m sure its the same feeling when “they” come over “here” and see how we do “their” food

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        Americans like to adopt foods or cooking techniques from other cultures

        It’s not “americans” (as in people whose families have lived there for a few generations), it’s immigrants who brought their culture and then adapted it to the locals. You can find this in almost every country.

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          The definitionition of “American” is pretty flexible. If you move here, live here, and want to consider yourself an American, then you are an American. Some loud zealots may say otherwise (typical in any country) but most Americans literally do not think about this at all.

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          I mean Chinese and Mexican people have been in America for almost two centuries. I’m usually the first one to shit on Americans, but at this point Chinese-American stuff and Tex-Mex are theirs.

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    America has, by a long shot, the most diverse and some of the best food on the plant. Go to one of the big three and you can have 3 star Michellin from every continent or some of the best street meat shit you’ll have on the same day.

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      America certainly has the most diverse kitchen because it’s a whole fucking continent. It has grasslands, mountains, coasts, lakes, everything and each microclimate you could imagine. I doubt, OTOH, that you’ve ever seen a Michelin rated restaurant from the inside.

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        I’ve been to one and two star places, never three stars (some day…). America has incredible food if you know what to look for. Some of the best Korean, Chinese, and Indian I’ve had in particular. It’s also a giant country with many immigrants, so it’s kinda obvious that it has good food. And southern food is great too.

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          I have not doubted that. It has, however., nothimg to do with the kind of cuisine you’d attract Michelin’s attention with. I also know a bit of the more sophisticated American (regional and international) kitchen and it is, IMIO, much better than most people believe. (Piece of cake, because you can get next to everything there.) However, most people also have no idea what the French kitchen or to some extent the more regional parts of the Italian kitchen (or Basque, or Catalan) might be about. I honestly don’t think the US really are playing in that league.

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            That is 100% fair. I just wanted to add my two cents. But you’re right, regional high cuisine, especially French, is a different league. I don’t necessarily think that league is superior, but it is a different class within haute cuisine.

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      meanwhile everyone in the world, who traveled to the US, will tell you that even the produce has no flavor.

      US food is objectively terrible compared to other nations.

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        This depends. In my experience anything processed tastes horrible because of chemical and sugar overload. But you can get great ingredients! Much better than here in Germany anyway.

        And there are many more diverse great restaurants than in most places in Germany, ngl. In the US, you can go to any small town and find a great homemade style Korean place, or something like that. No such luck in Germany, they’ll serve you 14€ frozen pizza.

        (In my experience anyway. These are large countries, so none of this is rule, just personal experience)

        The winner is no questions Italy, though. Best pizza I ever had was in 8€ in an Italian town with ~5000 inhabitants. Unbelievable. Only good restaurant there, though, but I’ll never forget the experience.

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        USA is big. Like, really, really big.

        The food you get in New York City and Waco, Texas don’t have a lot in common.

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          except they are both grown in the US using such intensive agricultural methods that the produce itself tastes different. US meat is banned in many countries because it’s considered not suitable for human consumption.

          on top of that, US fast food franchise culture has destroyed whatever food culture there was.

          food is something you eat multiple times a day, if a good American meal is something you have once in a while, it doesn’t count, if Americans eat fast food garbage every day, that’s American food.

          there are many large systemic issues that make the American diet garbage. not just “America bad”. Blame corporations and capitalism and all the politicians that were bribed to allow this to happen.

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            except they are both grown in the US using such intensive agricultural methods that the produce itself tastes different

            Not if you go to farmer’s markets

            And it’s frankly absurd to suggest that the existence of fast food means all American food is bad. That makes no fucking sense.

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              This is the type of guy who grabs strawberries from the supermarket in February, doesn’t wonder how they got there, and compares them to farm fresh in season strawberry. The ability to have a planets worth of diverse food year round is lost on them because they had a shitty supermarket fruit out of season once

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              it is so amazing how you prove my point and pat your back.

              there is good food only if you are rich, because nearly all American food is garbage.

              yhea, good produce should be the bare fucking minimum, not the maximum.

              I am not judging food culture based on what the rich can afford, or for one special meal. but for what everyone eats.

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                I am not judging food culture based on what the rich can afford, or for one special meal. but for what everyone eats

                I’ve got bad news then: 90% of everyone’s food fucking sucks. Hope you enjoy the fine cuisine of flatbreads, rice, and an occasional dish that stretches an animal protein so thin you forget it’s there. If you’re lucky there might be some months old fermented junk to season it.

                Or maybe you’re just racist and assume that every noble savage has access to fresh fish, fruit and veggies year-round?

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                  I’ve got bad news then: 90% of everyone’s food fucking sucks.

                  I kinda wanna hug you because that sounds awful. At least in my bubble (Poland) it does not suck, although for example the quality of tomatoes is dropping like crazy for the past decade or so.

                  Unless of course you’re making a strawman about food in food insecure countries?

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                  i lived in Spain for 18 years, 3 in Palestine, and currently in the US.

                  90% of the food over there is amazing, even if plant based, and the way you dismiss good regular food is sad and telling.

                  good food belongs to everyone, it shouldn’t be a luxury, it’s the bare minimum. if you disagree you’ve been brainwashed by American corporations.

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            You still are clearly not accounting for how large in area the country is. There are farms that meet whatever standards you are deeming superior. Just because there’s a lot of fast food doesn’t mean there are no high class restaurants.

            Europeans love to talk mad shit about how Americans know so little about other countries then drop comments like this, it’s frankly incredible

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    I feel like if you know what typical American breakfast foods are, “breakfast taco” is pretty self-explanatory.

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      Also, the Taco Bell Breakfast Crunchwrap, steak, with extra creamy jalapeño sauce, is perhaps the greatest fast food breakfast item of all time.

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    First they say ‘that is not our food’.
    Then the say ‘all you do is eat our food’.
    Make up your minds.

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      if I plagirise your novel and change things so it is terrible, I still both copied your novel AND said novel isn’t a representation of your work.

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        But if I take you novel as inspiration and created a new novel then I’m not eating your novel

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        “Exit To Eden” has entered the chat.

        The novel, “Exit To Eden” by Anne Rice [aka Ann Rampling] was a pornographic romance that was turned into a very bad movie that added a lot of nonsense for no reason.