You seem to like when the government heavily censors domestic media, the internet, and academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent, protests, or criticism of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Movement within China is regulated. The justice system in China has a 99% conviction rate…for whichever side supports the side of the state. Mass surveillance with no legal recourse. You wouldn’t even know if you had it good or not. Unless you are fine not knowing I suppose.
And yet they have fewer people in prison than the US with four times the population. All these horrible things about China and yet they incarcerate people at a quarter of the rate that the US does. So if China is a fascist police state what do you call a country that imprisons people at four times the rate of China?
No one said the US is doing anything perfectly. What about the incarceration rate in the Netherlands? Individual freedom is difficult and comes at a cost. Chinese citizend simply do not have all the freedoms others in the west have. They are not allowed to demand it wether they want it or not.
Idk about netherlands but you’re trying to single out china versus the west and the largest western country is far less free than china. If you say European, sure, quite frankly I have no clue about Netherlands incarceration, I’ll take your word for it. But if you want to talk about “the west” you have to answer for how your theory applies to the single largest western country.
How do you know this information? You can’t look it up on Wikipedia in China… that’s blocked. Oh, read about it in the associated press? BBC?.. nope. All blocked. Ignorance is bliss it seems.
Allowing open and free access to the internet. This provides accountability. China gets to mold the internet to their will. If they don’t want you to know it, you have to subvert them to find it online. Want to find out what’s going on by watching the news? You get a carefully curated version of the news and no way to fact check with independent sources outside of the country…without subversion.
The west also heavily censors domestic media, the internet, academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent and protests, etc. The critical difference is that the west does this to protect capitalists against the working classes, while China does this to suppress capitalists and protect the socialist system. The class that controls the state uses it to oppress the others.
People criticize, institutions are censored. Protests also do happen infrequently. China is a pretty stable country overall because the system actually works.
VPNs are easy to get and are tolerated. The firewall exists to protect Chinese companies from losing in competition to western monopolies, which is important because China desires above all else self-sufficiency and resistance to western disinformation campaigns.
You seem to like when the government heavily censors domestic media, the internet, and academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent, protests, or criticism of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Movement within China is regulated. The justice system in China has a 99% conviction rate…for whichever side supports the side of the state. Mass surveillance with no legal recourse. You wouldn’t even know if you had it good or not. Unless you are fine not knowing I suppose.
And yet they have fewer people in prison than the US with four times the population. All these horrible things about China and yet they incarcerate people at a quarter of the rate that the US does. So if China is a fascist police state what do you call a country that imprisons people at four times the rate of China?
Also a fascist police state
No one said the US is doing anything perfectly. What about the incarceration rate in the Netherlands? Individual freedom is difficult and comes at a cost. Chinese citizend simply do not have all the freedoms others in the west have. They are not allowed to demand it wether they want it or not.
Idk about netherlands but you’re trying to single out china versus the west and the largest western country is far less free than china. If you say European, sure, quite frankly I have no clue about Netherlands incarceration, I’ll take your word for it. But if you want to talk about “the west” you have to answer for how your theory applies to the single largest western country.
How do you know this information? You can’t look it up on Wikipedia in China… that’s blocked. Oh, read about it in the associated press? BBC?.. nope. All blocked. Ignorance is bliss it seems.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
You’re responding to my comment where I said.
You didn’t show me where all this accountability is. Was that an oversight on your part or are you acknowledging there isn’t any?
Can you openly criticize the Chinese party in control? Can you protest without violent retribution?
You can do these things in the usa. Accountability.
China won’t let the full intent through. The US does. Accountability.
You think a few no kings protests around the country means the pedophile Donald Trump has been held accountable for his crimes against humanity?
I guess that answer means no?
You chose to respond to my comment and I’m still waiting for you to show me where all this accountability is. 🤷♂️
Allowing open and free access to the internet. This provides accountability. China gets to mold the internet to their will. If they don’t want you to know it, you have to subvert them to find it online. Want to find out what’s going on by watching the news? You get a carefully curated version of the news and no way to fact check with independent sources outside of the country…without subversion.
Yet after 3 comments you have failed to provide a single example of accountability.
I’m not gonna keep playing this game bud. If your next comment doesn’t provide an actual example of accountability I’m just going to block you. 🤷♂️
I just looked at your comment history. Sorry, I didn’t realize what you were. Blocked
The west also heavily censors domestic media, the internet, academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent and protests, etc. The critical difference is that the west does this to protect capitalists against the working classes, while China does this to suppress capitalists and protect the socialist system. The class that controls the state uses it to oppress the others.
Can you openly criticize the Chinese party in control? Can you protest without violent retribution?
People criticize, institutions are censored. Protests also do happen infrequently. China is a pretty stable country overall because the system actually works.
People can openly protest the party in control in a city center? They can openly access the world wide internet?
Yes, and yes. VPNs are accessible. Institutions trying to foment regime change are cracked down, simple protest is not generally.
So the internet is openly accrssible… as long as you circumvent government authority? That doesn’t sound like “openly”.
VPNs are easy to get and are tolerated. The firewall exists to protect Chinese companies from losing in competition to western monopolies, which is important because China desires above all else self-sufficiency and resistance to western disinformation campaigns.
…neat