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    israel no longer deserves any celebratory recognition. they have overstepped any justification they had in avenging the hamas raid

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        Since its very inception. I.e., the 40s. And before its inception the people that were fighting for even getting Israel off the ground were bombing places, and organizing massacres of civilians.

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          Zionists have been colonizing Palestine since the late 1800s; the only difference between that and its so-called inception in the 40s are aid and recognition from western governments.

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      Independent reporters say there is ample proof the attack was a false-flag. The IDF is full of psychotic assholes, It wouldn’t surprise me a bit that they’d kill their own people.

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        It doesn’t even matter though. That festival was taking place on land that was stolen from Palestinians not long before. It was not their land to be festive on. The people who moved there knew exactly what they were doing and frankly had it coming.

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        A lot of those reports are nonsense. There’s solid evidence that several dozen, maybe a hundred at most, people were killed by friendly fire, which tends to get exaggerated to “every single victim at the Nova festival was killed by helicopter strafing under the Hannibal Directive.” Neither side anticipated how easy the siege would be to break, and the resulting undisciplined bloodbath isn’t out of line with similar anticolonial revolts throughout history. I don’t think there’s any reason to jump to conspiracy theories to explain the results of the Israeli government getting lost in its militaristic hubris and dehumanization of Palestinians.

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        There’s no more successful White Supremacist project in the World, which is probably why it’s so beloved by most of Europe’s as well as the American political classes.

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      What do you mean “no longer”? The whole country is founded on the ethnic cleansing of 700000 Palestinians. They were massacring entire villages in the 40s! When in the fuck was that ever deserving of a fucking parade? What the fuck?

      https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

      Read this article. This is what Israeli genocide scholars had to say about the genocide less than a week after october 7th. It was already clear then and there that what Israel was doing was a genocide. Was the genocide justified then? When did it stop being justified? Two months later when South Africa launched its ICJ court case against Israel for committing a genocide, complete with about 100 pages of damning evidence of what Israel had been doing for the past two months? From when to when do you, personally, think the genocide was justified?

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      They never deserved it. The Israel project has been stealing land from Palestinians since the late 1800s. It was only during / after WW2 that they began to receive co-signs from western governments, hence the misnomer that Israel was founded as a response to WW2.