Most people don’t even realise, Tianamen Square was about Free Speech, and keeping China communist (They were protesting China becoming more open to Capitalism).
The people being massacred - WERE THE COMMUNISTS AND UNIONISTS…
They weren’t pro-markets… They believed (as communist education teaches) that Capitalism would cause class divisions and greater poverty for the majority. The protestors wanted China to stay communist, just with more democratic rights and protections.
Most people also don’t know that the entire tankman saga happened as Chinese forces were LEAVING Tiananmen Square and he wasn’t run over. The tanks tried to go around then stopped and he climbed up and talked to the driver for a while then walked off with some people. And this all happened outside the foreign press hotel in an area that had been largely blockaded during that time.
Where western reports were going out speaking of tons of violence in areas near the square.
Which tankman has always been a peculiar moment in history cause in context it very much comes off like it was possibly staged by the CCP, or at least the CCP thought it might work in their favor PR wise, but ends up getting used in a way that is suggestive of that moment being a moment of CCP violence against the innocent.
And of course the even larger context of what was being protested was never and still is not really contextualized.
What in the mental gymnastics is your comment meant to be?
Your edit comes across as, “Oops, looks like I was trying to rage against someone without realizing we agree; better edit to add a subtle retraction. Oh, and I’d better add a whataboutism out of nowhere too.”
Ignore the swaths of people exposed to the elements in the states while suburban boomers rent out second homes and corporations buy up the rest. What is that if not systemic murder? Yeah Mao did bad shit, killing landlords isnt one of them.
THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves
“What? I just wanted to threaten people with homelessness unless they paid for my equity with their labor! How DARE you pretend I’m the bad guy! Now let me figure a way to steal even more from you and have the cops attack you if you resist.”
Mao was right about landlords.
And Hitler built the Autobahn. Morons love to handwave mass murdering dictators.
Yeah, car dependency is an overt fascist plot. Are you suggesting that this is good?
Most people don’t even realise, Tianamen Square was about Free Speech, and keeping China communist (They were protesting China becoming more open to Capitalism).
The people being massacred - WERE THE COMMUNISTS AND UNIONISTS…
They weren’t pro-markets… They believed (as communist education teaches) that Capitalism would cause class divisions and greater poverty for the majority. The protestors wanted China to stay communist, just with more democratic rights and protections.
Most people also don’t know that the entire tankman saga happened as Chinese forces were LEAVING Tiananmen Square and he wasn’t run over. The tanks tried to go around then stopped and he climbed up and talked to the driver for a while then walked off with some people. And this all happened outside the foreign press hotel in an area that had been largely blockaded during that time.
Where western reports were going out speaking of tons of violence in areas near the square.
Which tankman has always been a peculiar moment in history cause in context it very much comes off like it was possibly staged by the CCP, or at least the CCP thought it might work in their favor PR wise, but ends up getting used in a way that is suggestive of that moment being a moment of CCP violence against the innocent.
And of course the even larger context of what was being protested was never and still is not really contextualized.
Genuinely crazy to compare that moment to, say, the ICE raids in Minneapolis and come out complaining about “Tankies”.
That’s an important thing to educate others on, but… so?
The problem is they massacred protestors, not what the protest was about.
If the people want to speak in support of communism, let them. If they want to speak in support of capitalism, let them.
Cool fantasy. But this was the people who support capitalism murdering the people who support communism.
Okay so they were protesting to get Free Speech, and to keep China communist.
You’re saying what they were protesting for (Free Speech and Communism) isn’t important…
…only Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for) is important… Not Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for).
A bit of anti-communist blindness is happening here. It’s really okay for Chinese communists to want a more democratic Communism.
[EDIT: On that much we are agreeing. I’m just also adding US pro-Capitalist massacres on too.]
What in the mental gymnastics is your comment meant to be?
Your edit comes across as, “Oops, looks like I was trying to rage against someone without realizing we agree; better edit to add a subtle retraction. Oh, and I’d better add a whataboutism out of nowhere too.”
Yes, Godric, compare carbraintopia to removing an entire class of parasites. Sure. I’m the moron lmao
Fuck, a horseshoe theory wallop upside the head yet again :(
Mass-murder is bad, you absolute muppet.
Ignore the swaths of people exposed to the elements in the states while suburban boomers rent out second homes and corporations buy up the rest. What is that if not systemic murder? Yeah Mao did bad shit, killing landlords isnt one of them.
Look at all these landlords up in here scrambling
“What? I just wanted to threaten people with homelessness unless they paid for my equity with their labor! How DARE you pretend I’m the bad guy! Now let me figure a way to steal even more from you and have the cops attack you if you resist.”