• daannii@lemmy.world
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    Dude my gorgeous friend 38 getting filler. Now looks like she’s ate some shellfish she’s allergic to.

    Keeps getting it every 6 months or so.

    Just awful.

    I can’t tell her cause that will make her feel even worse.

    God I hope she stops. I’m angry at the advertisement and grifters that convinced her she needed it.

    We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway. And she’s thinking she needs to fix her perfect face.

    Idk. I just reject all that nonsense. I’m ready to experience this whole life. I want to be an older woman when I’m older. I don’t want to be one way forever. Boring.

    But culture tells women they are worthless when they are less fuckable. I hate it.

  • Nora (She/Her)@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Oh boy a thread about women’s bodies, I’m sure this will be a civil and rational discussion and definitely won’t have misogynistic views throughout the entire thing.

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    Not a woman, so I could be full of shit. It does seem to me that women face much more pressure to be conventionally attractive, especially in image-intensive jobs like acting.

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      A lot is advertising. Dude im 40F. It’s nonstop advertising to get fillers. Botox. Implants. Ozempic.

      Constantly bombarded with it.

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      Very true, and already-attractive women started being told how pretty they were while they were younger so it became part of their identity and sense of self-worth. So they’re vulnerable to the fear of “losing their looks.”

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    Self hatred is an industry. The manosphere is one part, and the beauty industry is the other - both trying to make you hate yourself and then sell you the cure. It’s emotional and psychological grifting.

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    A lot of “insecurity” and “marketing” comments in here.

    In the world where we don’t shoot from the hip, there are different factors for different things.

    For example, Covid, and the mass use of video calls and TikTok that came with it, brought about the “flat features” phenomenon from cameras, which drove a huge increase in lip fillers and other botox to help people stand out.

    But things like Ozempic are very different, as they are used much more by those who can truly benefit from them to reduce other medical issues that come with weight.

    And to be clear, none of these things are bad. For many they are not needed (in the opinions of others, often myself, too), but that does not make them bad.

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    If you have something you are recognized for… you will cling desperately to it. Comedian? Forever chasing their best show. Sports legends hanging around too long. Its pretty human to want recognition… even if part of it is genetics and youth. Time is the great equaliser.

    In the end - if the odd rituals, diets, and surgery leaves them feeling happy… let them have it. Being pretty and famous is almost a monkeys paw. Sure, everyone ages - but you get to age on a pedestal. There initially for your broad appeal… and then on public display as everyone gets to get their shots in as that youthful glow fades. Ick. I wouldn’t want it to be me.

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    The most conventionally attractive woman I ever dated, and she had it all, was so incredibly negative about her body but she thought everyone else was beautiful. It actually got kind of exhausting because I would compliment her, not just her looks either, I spent a lot of time trying to learn how to compliment well while dating her. Complimenting her wardrobe choices, hair styles, jewelry; things she actively put effort into is where I’d try to deliver most of my compliments. Anyway, I felt like I was taking crazy pills because she was an absolute bombshell and the most receptive response to any compliment I ever received was “you’re biased”. I didn’t compliment her because I needed her to respond any certain way but I often wonder what happened that kept her from seeing how gorgeous she was. Another behavior I couldn’t figure out is that she almost seemed more drawn to people that would put her down, almost like she expected that treatment or it was a comfort zone for her or something.

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    Because society tells attractive women our value is primarily being attractive and losing that is scary since most people aren’t willing to give up the only thing that makes them valuable

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    I think it comes from every possible direction. Family when young with pressure to dress a certain way or present a certain way. Media showing a certain look depending on what is fashionable. Constant beauty and makeup stuff. Peers pick it up and model. People expect it so much that if you even skip one thing you may hear “wow you look tired today”. And these beauty standards are socially enforced and expected behaviors. It’s everywhere from everyone all the time.

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      I think its reasonable to bring attention to the extremely harmful act of women, who are held by society as the beauty standard, are anorexic or abusing weight loss drugs when it isn’t necessary.

      We have countless studies on the ill effects idolizing women with unrealistic body standards, especially to the point they’re harming themselves to achieve them, has on women and young girls. This recent revival of the “heroine chick” beauty standard via eating disorders and GLP1 abuse is a nightmare to the psyche of women and girls, and also does damage the psyche of men and young boys for that matter.

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        “Heroin chic” is the fashion of looking starved and shadowed as if you’re a heroin addict.

        “Heroine chick” is Supergirl

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      Am I supposed to know Ariana Grande on some deep interpersonal level to realize that she looks like a walking corpse?

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        A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself. I dont know you but I’m not gonna offer my opinion cuz no one asked. Just because we all have a soapbox doesn’t mean we gotta use it

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          No, Ariana is beyond opinion. You can literally count her ribs. I literally cringe every time I see her. It’s beyond attractive or unattractive, she simply is not healthy.

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          A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself

          Good thing they didn’t offer an opinion.

          Ariana Grande looks insanely unhealthy, like a skeleton, and appears to be in a health crisis with either ED or GLP1 abuse.

          That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. She’s undeniably not naturally that bone thin, nor that inactive during her performances like she’s been recently.

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      There’s no question that judging women by their appearance is a widespread problem, but doing expensive/unsafe medical things for the sake of appearance is also about personality.

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        Yes… a personality often built off the unhealthy relationship society has with women’s physical appearance. Sure, women can not care, but their lives will often unfortunately be much more difficult for it. Even accounting for the effort put into their appearance. These things are not so easily divorced in reality as they are in online discussions.

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          I’m not ignoring societal pressures, but at some point you have to take responsibility for your priorities. I assume you wouldn’t excuse billionaires as just participating in capitalism and doing what they’re “supposed” to do. The harm of invasive medical procedures and medications for aesthetic reasons seems like a good place to draw the line and say “you have a problem”

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            comparing woman and the societal struggle they are forced through just by existing is not the same as choosing to maintain an evil system of financial oppression on the working class.

            this is a poor argument.

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    Why do people keep inventing ways to make people feel insecure about their appearances? Because there is a lot of money in it, comrade.