microsoft committments to ui frameworks can be gotten in bulk, for free at your nearest flea market
My Windows 11 PC? Where?
My Linux PC doesn’t have WhatsApp installed. Someone tell me where this Windows 11 PC is so I can retrieve it and install Linux on that too.
People using Meta’s products are masochists.
“Yes, daddy, please violate my privacy even more and manipulate me into hating myself and making me addicted to your shit.”
My government and employers would not move away from WhatsApp, so, short of lobbying, I am forced to remain.
Well most people dont have any other option since 100% of your friends and families are exclusively on WhatsApp , whatsapp had early mover advantage it was free and easy to use so now everyone just uses it
so did my-space
If your friends can not be arsed to install an app on their phone for you, I got some bad news.
Actually it’s not just friends ( we did shifted to telegram a while back ) most people where I am from use WhatsApp grand parents to grand parents to even some college official group ( yeah Ik )
Wouldn’t Windows 11 be the worst app on your Windows 11 PC? 🤔
It’s probably just teams, right?
I once read a story about a Teams team in microslop Teams, was hilarious.
It’s all sharepoint under the hood.
Technically… Yes.
This person fundamentally misunderstands RAM on Windows…
Apps reserve a portion of the total available memory. That memory is not necessarily in use. Memory not in use will still be available to other applications as soon as the system reallocates it when a given application needs more. Usually of you have more RAM, applications will reserve more of it. You can check a better explanation of your current memory usage in the windows resource monitor. You’ll see memory allocated, memory in use, and memory being used to cache data (which windows does to reduce disk reads and writes), as well as memory completely unallocated. Chrome can easily allocate 1/3 of your total available memory by the third tab, but that doesn’t mean chrome is actually using that much.
I mean it’s an electron app. Maybe the number is inflated, but it’s still a ton. The previous number he compared to (100mb) would be equally inflated, so it’s fair
Counterpoint: no, it’s not, because I’m not stupid enough to install it.
Born in the PWA it was.
(I figure this limits what it can scrape from any OS.)
Or own a Windows PC!
Sadly, I have one that I need for some freelance work. But I don’t use it too much.
Oh, it’s most likely doing something. Just nothing you would want.
Without having read the article, lemme guess… Electron.
Maybe now that no-one can afford RAM these companies might get motivated to do something about that. Hell, I’d accept them just feeling shamed into not being the worst memory hog on your system at this point, over any altruistic reason.
See also: Discord and Slack, two other colossal wastes of space that use an order of magnitude more RAM than a native app would while running slower and providing absolutely zero other benefits.
Interestingly, in Microsoft’s Build Conference this year, they were pushing for “Native applications” again. This is probably two fold, one because RAM is getting so expensive we’ll probably start seeing 8GB laptops again, and two because AI will make something in whatever framework you tell it to, and has no problem maintaining separate code bases for each supported OS. Of course, that just means more tokens used as far as Microsoft is concerned, which is a win for them.
The worst part about electron is that there is no way for it to share resources like a browser. You have to oacjage the whole version together, when really should should have been more like a pwa. Instead you have 10 electron instances, running with 10x the respurce needs.
that’s why you just skip the middleman and run it in your browser instead.
my friend has 16gb of ram and he keeps hitting out-of-memory errors when he has like 5 apps open, because they’re all electron and they all take like 2gb each, it’s ridiculous
Your friend has disabled the swap file. Never a good idea.
To be honest I’d rather get OOM errors in my consumer OS than endless disk thrashing. At least mechanical drives were more resilient and you could hear the thrashing, as opposed to silent massive wear on your SSDs.
I run 32GB and I still run a swapfile. My ssd is still going after 3 years, but everything dies.
My SSDs are like ten to 15 years old, none are dead at this point. The cargo cult of swap files trashing everything.
They don’t care if you can’t afford it. Data centers are buying them by the truckload.
OP was talking about the software companies, not the ram companies
No, the worst app is Windows 11. My parents have some all-in-one HP PC. It has some Intel laptop processor from about 8 years ago, 16GB of ram, (upgraded from 8), and a wheezy 256GB spinning drive, running Win10 adequately.
After being bombarded with “upgrade to Windows 11! It’s easy and fun!!” notifications, they did so, and of course their PC is woefully underpowered for the job.
I log in remotely and check what’s running and the OS is paging to the swap file constantly. [Edit: and I mean, to the point where opening an application takes 60 seconds of disk thrashing for a window to appear]
I had to get a de-bloat script and turn off about 50 Microsoft “essential services”. The biggest hog out of them all was copilot, which was using about 4GB while sitting there idle.
I have no doubt that I’m going to have to run that script every month as everything gets “repaired”, until I can get back to their place and put a SSD in and maybe install some flavour of Linux.
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
I had to get a de-bloat script and turn off about 50 Microsoft “essential services”
And then a Windows Update comes along…
My MILs computer has 8 GB of RAM… I have not yet convinced her she needs a new computer, but I did just install windows 10 iot ltsc on it so it will at least get security patches.
put that script in task scheduler on repeat. let it run every day
If you put in an ssd, Windows should run just fine.
Yeah, it’s on the to-do list. I still don’t like it endlessly paging though. I also hate Microsoft’s push to get everyone on win11 even if their PC’s will run like asthmatic slugs.
I have found every single PC of mine has benefitted from running Win11. Even those that don’t meet the criteria. It’s a solid OS.
If they were happy with 10 give them Mint, they won’t even notice if you skin it.
I don’t know who is doing the testing, but they don’t know what they’re doing. 313MB
Why Edge? (Still Chrome)
Why Claude?
WhatsApp depends on how much TEAM your PC has and what other software is running in order to change its cache. Maybe the tester/author has a lot of RAM and saw this “huge” usage.
Personally, if I bought 64GB of RAM, by god I’m going to use it!! Why buy lots of RAM and be stingy??
Just because you have RAM to give, doesn’t mean an app should use it. An app that is using way more than it typically uses often means the app has lost control in some way (a memory leak). An app that has lost control will usually have performance or other issues.
Well, fine, right, I’m not saying I want something to use all 64GB, but I’m not going to be upset if something used a few GB. Chrome OS that way where it’ll eat up all avail RAM, hence why so many memes. A lot of applications are written poorly and yes, RAM utilization will grow, but again, if I’ve got it, in many cases might as well use it.
It’s something I’ve always done. I pick an app. ie: Firefox but then at some point I’ll go to the alternative to see if it has something I might have missed. This way I can evaluate it myself rather than rely on someone else’s bias. I’ve been using Edge for about 3 months now, and it really isn’t that bad. I’m going to try Brave next.
As I mentioned earlier, I use the free version of Claude to help me with automations and dashboards in Home Assistant. It really is an incredible tool.
I don’t know what that means. How much TEAM my PC has? You saw what Edge was using. This PC, which basically is a boy doing a man’s job, has 32GB of RAM. It runs all of my ‘ARR’ apps.
I just don’t see the issue with Whatsapp. It runs perfectly fine of my crappy HP I7 7700 PC.
Ohhh my bad, stupid swipe text corrected ram to team I guess…
Edge isn’t a bad browser as far as functionality goes, but far from secure. But it’s gotta I discovered vertical tabs while at work, so I added that extension in Firefox and now that’s native too.
Look at mr moneybags over here
The screenshot is from my $300 HP Elite Desk 4. It doesn’t support Win11, but I installed it anyway.
Oh, you meant Claude. I use the free version to help me write automations and dashboards for Home Assistant. I have never given Anthropic a dime.
You cannot fish in lemmy as it’s a website. Thank you for your understanding.
Can I at least get my bait back?
Your setup, with Win11 and Claude is the bait.
Fable is so expensive. I made a Blinko notes desktop app on Opencode last night using Minimax M3 and it would have cost me 3000usd if I was using Fable.
Why would anyone put WhatsApp on their computer?
Stop using meta people!
unfortunately switching away from messengers like this is much harder than other stuff cuz you have to move your entire social network over. it can be done, but unless all your friends and family are also foss and privacy nerds it’s going to be difficult
then again idk if it’s possible, but if it is, you should at least use whatsapp within a web browser. it may even consume less ram that way lol
It isn’t hard to make that move though it’s just inconvenient. I wouldn’t play along, friends and family can fuck right off if they wont leave. It’s directly funding so many nasty things I can’t be part of it.
How is using Whatsapp for free funding anything?
WhatsApp is used for businesses a ton here in the EU. A customer-facing business owner like a cafe/restaurant it is almost required in some places. So much much more than “inconvenient”
That’s interesting. I’m surprised there isn’t a bigger backlash to requiring WhatsApp with the digital sovereignty push I’ve been hearing about. I work for a US based SaaS provider, and we spent a lot of marketing and sales resources assuring European businesses that we aren’t part of the American push to take over the entire tech world.
“Stop using meta people!” sounds like a protest chant for the second-class citizens of a B-grade cyberpunk dystopia.
but we are second-class citizens in a B-grade cyberpunk dystopia…
All you need is a lack of comma, huh!
I wish and I am accumulating contacts on Signal as of late. But removing WhatsApp is impossible off my phone. Literally everyone are using it around here and I wish they wouldn’t.
Why would anyone put Windows on their computer?
Or they’re mining your data….?
It’s most definitely doing alot
The doing alot gets a lot done.
Alot of Doing is a very productive alot.
I have a Windows 11 PC with WhatsApp?
Where you fucked up is installing and using WhatsApp to begin with. It’s been shit since meta bought it.
And Windows.
Exactly, if you’re still using windows in 2026, wtf are you even doing?!
I can’t imagine using anything under Meta’s control for personal communication.
