So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?

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    Follow the money.

    See all those billionaire tech cunts propping him up? Sanction them. Ban their software. Block their psy-op social media websites.

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    So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something?

    Frankly? Nothing. Nothing happened after Iraq, nothing happened after Afghanistan, nothing will happen after Venezuela.

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    Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.

    Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.

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    The EU, China and other major trading partners (many of which are EU afilliates like Japan) could cripple the US overnight by dumping american bonds and finding new trading partners. This is already happening though in a very slow way designed to minimize damage.

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    The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.

    Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.

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    SANCTION THE FUCK OUT OF US

    Hit us where it hurts. Our wallets. Fuck our economy up (even more).

    And if that doesn’t work, start forming military alliances and building up your armies as a show of force.

    I am here in America and I can tell you there are A LOT of dumbfucks here that can only learn through pain. So make it hurt. America needs to learn a lesson.

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    If we’re talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.

    Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in… But the new playbook like what we’ve we’ve seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word ‘genocide’ we don’t have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that’s dodgy.

    Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US’s pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it’s own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.

    The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world’s nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.

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    No country should be dealing with the US right now. Cut this country the fuck off.

    Do not allow Preznit Fuckwit or any of his cronies in your country. Threaten with imprisonment since he is a disgusting multi-time felon who is also a pedo and a rapist. No decent country should let that type of thing step foot there.

    Sanction. Do not buy American ANYTHING. The fucking morons who voted for this shit need to hurt. Im talking destitute. They need to have zero choice but to point their dirty finger at the source of their misery and accept that he is a con-- a fucking con!!-- and that their own stupidity is why they are not scraping by.

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    Maduro and Trump are friends

    Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.

    Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.

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    Nobody can outright militarily like, pull off assasinating the entire executive branch, which is basically what you’d need at this point, to actually stop this… bare minimum.

    But what you can do is hasten our ongoing societal collapse untill we actually get to something like a Syria civil war scenario.

    And how do you do that?

    Well, you take advantage of our dogshit cybersecurity we have around lots of government systems and critical infrastrucure, which has surely been made much more secure with the recent drive to install highly exploitable LLMs everywhere they will fit… oh and I’m sure the experts at DOGE didn’t leave any gaping exposed holes in anything…

    And so anyway, you just turn off as much electricty and power and communications (yes that means the internet) as you possibly can, in a way that will keep them down for as long as possible and make it as difficult as possible to repair.

    At that point, probably a good portion of the US collapses into complete fucking chaos within a week.

    That chaos probably necessitates a reconfiguration of our global and domestic military deployments, and it fucks up our military logistics by way of basically destroying the economy.

    Have that kind of a scenario play out?

    Well, a whole lot of other major militaries are going to have a bit more of a free hand to do as they please, as we would be in utter disarray.

    You don’t even need to nuke us, not even high altitude EMP us, that’s overkill, not necessary.

    You just need to conduct the most extensive and most unauthorized cybersec pentest in the history of the planet, and we’ll be dealing with bug reports for the rest of the century.

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    Internal collapse and/or a foreign coalition. If the US goes after Greenland I’d hope the rest of NATO stuck to their treaty obligations and fought back.

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    Hot take, this was a way better outcome than carpet bombing Baghdad had. Objectively bad of course, but maybe the US military has actually learned something. I’d argue that Trump is a figurehead for the MIC, and it is telling that they have behaved with relative restraint (relative to Gaza and Ukraine for instance). If he was calling the shots for real how would this have gone down? It’s been obvious since the Nobel prizes that there was a western consensus on regime change in Venezuela. It’s directly related to Ukraine. This is a demonstration that the US military is far more capable than Russia’s, and a message directly to Putin and simultaneously any sub-peer nation considering alignment with Russia or China.

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    I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.

    The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.

    Over time the US will grow less and less able to throw its weight around, and eventually a tipping point will be reached where picking an ideological fight with the US won’t have a major impact. That’s when the US will be stopped.

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      Logically that makes sense for an elongated timeline, but that also assumes the US doesn’t ramp up their actions, which sadly seems to be the case. So the question is “what then?”

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        Nations can’t ignore the fact that the US has one of the most active militaries in the world. Our Navy is more of less second to none and we have nukes. In the hands of a normal president, we might be fine but you sure as heck know that Trump and his Project 2025 people are just itching to launch one.

        This is a situation where there are no good options. The best you can do is continue political pressure, get other nations to rally behind you in the hopes of creating a strong economic resistance.

        But the real answer is that we, the US citizens, need to fucking take this country back. I hate to say it but protests simply aren’t enough anymore.

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            Protests only work if the government feels beholden to its people. It doesnt. Protests arent enough.

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            There are protests constantly. There was a protest outside the Whitehouse the same day as the Maduro kidnapping.

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            Thank God the protest people are here. They were constantly on Reddit for the last four years saying how Russians need to protest against the dictatorship. Good thing Russians heard that and had the massive protest of Bolotnaya in 2011 and endless protests in the far-east and northern regions in particular. As we know, Russia is a thriving democracy now thanks to the protests. I was wondering when USians are gonna protest away their own tsar.

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          also the worlds largest air force is the US air force. the second largest is the US army’s air force iirc

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            Remove the bases in europe and you can only project power with as many you can pile up on an aircraft carrier.

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              B-2 bombers have a huge range of 11,000 km, that’s extended further by tanker aircraft. They can strike any target in the world. They are better with a fighter escort though, that don’t have that range, and only a single pilot, shortening possible mission time.

              The US also has bases around the world outside of Europe. These could be shifted elsewhere, depending on need. The American military is a phenomenal logistics machine. They can fly and ship immense amounts of materiel and can construct huge bases quickly.

              There are several middle eastern and Asian countries that host large American bases. The big bases built in Europe, especially Germany act as a hub for the ones in Africa and the Middle East. A place for supplies, hospitals, training, etc. in a safe and nice place.

              China is still a fair bit away from having that kind of power projection.

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            I seem to remember reading that the US navy comes in second (which makes sense considering that a single carrier has a larger air wing than most countries air forces) but the point still stands.

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      The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.

      What Mainland China is trying to do: win over countries alienated or considered hostile by the Americans.

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      I think the wealthy will get US/corporate-friendly far-right governments in place in many of these countries before countries are able to isolate the US without collapsing their own economy. Seems to be the way things are going at least (far-right politics gaining support nearly everywhere).

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      I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.

      There’s is indeed a fast and peaceful answer: vote third parties.