Take me down your line of thought because I don’t see how Occam’s razor applies. Everyone likes to be perceived as attractive or MORE attractive. It’s not just women who take GLP-1s or get plastic surgery. And it’s not just ugly people or pretty people, it’s everybody. It’s nicer to be desirable by popular standards than not. That’s not the patriarchy, that’s comparative evaluation for mate selection.
And if you’re not into that it’s fine, but everyone likes to be viewed as attractive.
I find the “bruh it’s the patriarchy” to be, frankly, pretty fucking dumb.
I got to the gym, because it improves my health and abilities, allowing me to do more and do it longer. Because I like experiencing life, so it allows me to experience more.
I increase weight and duration to be able to do more or go longer than than other people which brings feelings of accomplishment. It also brings all the benefits you describe. You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take.
It’s almost like we can all do things for different reasons and you don’t have a monopoly on why people should do a thing.
You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take
People who do compete without a set goal (e.g. I win this cup, get the prize money and go do X that I want to do) are victims of bullshit. Was it patriarchy that cooked some particular bullshit up or not is not really the biggest question
People who do compete without a set goal (e.g. I win this cup, get the prize money and go do X that I want to do) are victims of bullshit.
That is a wild take.
To borrow from Daniel Pink’s book “Drive” which focuses on motivation theory, external motivators like money or prizes take you nowhere near as far as internal motivators. You are more likely to succeed generally and reach higher levels of performance if your motivation is intrinsic because you give that motivation to yourself and it is self-amplifying. Of course, his bent is more business-meets-academia, but I would struggle to see a world where it doesn’t also apply here. Would you just up and start a new hobby because you won the local competition?
It seems to me that by your logic you go take a karate class so you can get a black belt and then quit? Where’s the satisfaction in that? I don’t think that’s a problem of being a “victim of bullshit”, it’s about the pursuit of excellence for its own sake.
I’m telling you I like to compete and by every metric I’m probably both healthier and more capable than you as a result. I’m glad you’re working on it, but the difference between us is not “patriarchy” no matter how you shoehorn it, it is more likely not being in good shape and trying to catch up. I like attention as a motivator sure, but success and improvement are their own rewards. People can just be just more motivated than you. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are both things people enjoy for their own sake.
Society isn’t the thing keeping you down, it’s the law of averages. Most people suck. At everything. All the time. Welcome.
I have no idea what your point even is. It seems totally defeatist.
I enjoy working out so I tried strongman for 5 years and won at my university (though I did tear a disc which will follow me around). Then I decided to go for looks so I did bodybuilding and won that too. Then I did powerlifting which is much more competitive and was engaging for its own sake.
In the course of all that I got two black belts, a PhD, and I ballroom dance at championship level where I met my wife and got on TV 3 times because it’s cool to be good at things.
By all means love yourself, but it sounds like your self investment is minimal at best. Like you can’t do any better so now you can walk three miles? Fucking bravo.
I am invested in myself because there are things to achieve and I know I can do them, so I do. If you’re content to be mediocre, do that. It’s not patriarchy it’s settling for less, and that’s your fault.
Edit: “Just love yourself” doesn’t mean settle and give up. And nobody has to be content with that. That also is not the patriarchy oppressing you, it feels like you being a weak piece of shit.
Take me down your line of thought because I don’t see how Occam’s razor applies. Everyone likes to be perceived as attractive or MORE attractive. It’s not just women who take GLP-1s or get plastic surgery. And it’s not just ugly people or pretty people, it’s everybody. It’s nicer to be desirable by popular standards than not. That’s not the patriarchy, that’s comparative evaluation for mate selection.
And if you’re not into that it’s fine, but everyone likes to be viewed as attractive.
I find the “bruh it’s the patriarchy” to be, frankly, pretty fucking dumb.
Im just gonna give you ine example.
I got to the gym, because it improves my health and abilities, allowing me to do more and do it longer. Because I like experiencing life, so it allows me to experience more.
You do it to get noticed. Why?
Why not?
I increase weight and duration to be able to do more or go longer than than other people which brings feelings of accomplishment. It also brings all the benefits you describe. You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take.
It’s almost like we can all do things for different reasons and you don’t have a monopoly on why people should do a thing.
People who do compete without a set goal (e.g. I win this cup, get the prize money and go do X that I want to do) are victims of bullshit. Was it patriarchy that cooked some particular bullshit up or not is not really the biggest question
That is a wild take.
To borrow from Daniel Pink’s book “Drive” which focuses on motivation theory, external motivators like money or prizes take you nowhere near as far as internal motivators. You are more likely to succeed generally and reach higher levels of performance if your motivation is intrinsic because you give that motivation to yourself and it is self-amplifying. Of course, his bent is more business-meets-academia, but I would struggle to see a world where it doesn’t also apply here. Would you just up and start a new hobby because you won the local competition?
It seems to me that by your logic you go take a karate class so you can get a black belt and then quit? Where’s the satisfaction in that? I don’t think that’s a problem of being a “victim of bullshit”, it’s about the pursuit of excellence for its own sake.
You feel the need to compete for attention, because you have been told winning a competition increases your “value”…
Why do you think or feel that competing increases your value, somehow?
You feel its all just “mate selection” and Im telling that is a facet of the patriarchy…
I’m telling you I like to compete and by every metric I’m probably both healthier and more capable than you as a result. I’m glad you’re working on it, but the difference between us is not “patriarchy” no matter how you shoehorn it, it is more likely not being in good shape and trying to catch up. I like attention as a motivator sure, but success and improvement are their own rewards. People can just be just more motivated than you. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are both things people enjoy for their own sake.
Society isn’t the thing keeping you down, it’s the law of averages. Most people suck. At everything. All the time. Welcome.
Ok. Keep fighting for perceived value.
Some day, you’ll learn to love yourself, for no reason than just to love yourself.
Btw, I just finished recovering a dump truck with a come along today, and chopped about 3 weeks worth of wood. Ill do similar tomorrow.
Im betting your fitness training for attention has you in better shape than I.
Maybe someday you’ll wake up. Until then? Cheers!
I have no idea what your point even is. It seems totally defeatist.
I enjoy working out so I tried strongman for 5 years and won at my university (though I did tear a disc which will follow me around). Then I decided to go for looks so I did bodybuilding and won that too. Then I did powerlifting which is much more competitive and was engaging for its own sake.
In the course of all that I got two black belts, a PhD, and I ballroom dance at championship level where I met my wife and got on TV 3 times because it’s cool to be good at things.
By all means love yourself, but it sounds like your self investment is minimal at best. Like you can’t do any better so now you can walk three miles? Fucking bravo.
I am invested in myself because there are things to achieve and I know I can do them, so I do. If you’re content to be mediocre, do that. It’s not patriarchy it’s settling for less, and that’s your fault.
Edit: “Just love yourself” doesn’t mean settle and give up. And nobody has to be content with that. That also is not the patriarchy oppressing you, it feels like you being a weak piece of shit.
The moment someone resorts to insults is the moment you know they’ve lost the argument. 👆
The moment one party resorted to sealioning, the argument was over. 🤷
Or maybe that’s also the Occam’s razor of patriarchy.