Gonna be downvoted, because apparently this is car brain central, but the amount of mental gymnastics people will do to make red light camera enforcement “bad” is crazy.
The US’ private company control over these cameras notwithstanding.
Fuck me, so many people die on on roads, and especially at intersections.
The city I work for put up Flock cameras with specific instructions from Council that they were only to be used for identification of cars flagged in active warrants.
Within a week of their installation, police used the cameras to track the movements of someone who filed a complaint.
Fuck the police
Sounds like a police/privacy problem, not the idea of having cameras at all.
Police should need a warrant to access the videos.
The software should not log licence plates of every single car that comes past.
The software should be open source and developed by the public sector.
I agree what’s in place in the US is a privacy nightmare, but the idea of having cameras in general isn’t fundamentally bad.
Skill issue USA, git gud.
The US’ private companies
this is entirely the problem, because they’re turning over info to ICE and other agencies and it’s being used oppressively.
Hence my carve out. I don’t support the privacy nightmare the US has.
I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.
People don’t have the right to have no consequences for their dangerous behaviour.
I do support road safety cameras in general, if managed properly.
yeah that’s the rub. what municipality do you trust to manage them properly in this day and age? I’ve seen horror stories from all over the US, UK…
I fucking hate, absolutely despise the vroom vroom dickheads who make these technologies desirable. I want them to be held accountable but am not sure it’s worth the ice goons and yokel yokels who will abuse their capabilities.
That is a voter problem rather than a camera problem.
I just don’t think having this kind of surveillance state apparatus is ever worth it I don’t want the government or private companies tracking my every move.
I don’t even own a car and I want these cameras gone.
I don’t want the government or private companies tracking my every move
This is an issue with how the cameras are operated. I’m taking issue with people complaining that these cameras exist at all.
People claiming no system could ever be privacy-preserving aren’t being very imaginative.
I agree the surveillance state is bad, but taking a picture of someone running a red light and sending them a fine is a good thing, sorry.
What’s bad is allowing cameras to passively record every single licence plate at all times and store that information. A speed or red light camera should only take a photo/video when it detects someone speeding/running a red light, and no other information should be stored.
Shout out to Road Guy Rob
Yeah, love this guy’s videos
People enjoy driving dangerously. They don’t see it as risky because they haven’t been killed in a crash yet.
Cops enforcing traffic? Bad.
Cameras enforcing traffic? Bad.
very few people would complain about traffic police if the cops didn’t carry guns or were not trained to pit maneuver you for not wearing a seatbelt
So, we agree. This is specifically a US police problem.
But many people argue against speed cameras and red light cameras in general, as if they have the right to endanger people’s lives.
Pit maneuvers are insane, and aren’t done in most other civilised countries.
No, this is a transportation problem as well. Cameras arent a solution to the problem of too many cars and carcentric infrastructure design lol, its literally a bandaid solution that only affects the poor negatively and no one else. People who complain about the cameras have every right to complain.
Before any camera is installed, cities should instead be spending that money on reworking street design and getting more buses and banning more cars. Capitalism fixes these problems by letting poor people foot the bill, socialism solves this by making rich people pay their fair share. Are you against taxing the rich instead for safer roads by banning cars on bus-only streets?
Funnily enough, this is my even more preferred solution haha
I am for public transport centric cities, where you can safely walk across streets, and cities are designed for people, not cars.
I am 100% for everything you’ve said, including socialism.
It’s just I’m also living in the world as it currently is, and if we’re gonna have car-centric hell holes, I at least want to make breaking the rules have consequences, so car centrism is A BIT safer. Income based fines to boot.
Most certainly is a band-aid, though. Do agree.
But I just get pissed when dickheads think speeding isn’t a bit deal, or red-light cameras are just for revenue raising, as if driving a massive hunk of metal is a serious responsibility, not to be taken lightly.
You can complain, but youre getting mad at the symptoms and the cameras are only a solution to the symptoms and dont address any real problem. People should be holding their governors, mayors, city councils, and police departments 100% responsible for poor planning and decision making and not applaud them for a band aid solution like cameras. The proper response on cameras to your government should be: Try again, with effort this time. People should be visiting neighborhood meetings to talk about these problems cameras instead of getting angry at people running lights, all Im saying. Lets direct that energy at the real problems and the people who are the only ones capable of making the necessary changes instead of just picking the pickets of the poor please.
I can condone taking down pedestrian surveillance, but people who drive cars should follow the rules or get fucked.
It is not necessary to install photo enforcement cameras to get people to follow the rules.
What better ideas do you have in mind?
That would be fine if they did anything to increase safety but studies have shown it actually increases accidents by 3-8% https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095756415302786
From that study:
“red light running photo enforcement installed experienced 4 percent reduction in fatal crashes for intersections with multilane approaches, and 48 percent reduction for intersections with single-lane approaches.”
Reduction means LESS.
Lol nice try, but that only happens when you install them badly. Some places have, of course, but everything fails if you’re incompetent.
There seems to be 2 main camps in this thread.
Fuck the police, and fuck shitty drivers.
Both camps are correct.
On the one hand, omnipresent surveillance is bad and ripe for abuse.
On the other, I feel like the haphazard and selective enforcement of traffic laws by police officers is also really bad. Cops can selectively enforce laws so poor people or black people or whatever out-group suffers more. A machine should be impartial.
On the last hand, no traffic enforcement is probably going to get people killed. So that’s not desirable.
Also, fines are problematic. Fines should probably scale with wealth, but also it shouldn’t be a revenue source because that’s a perverse incentive.
Some countries do scalable fines, so you’ll see headlines about a rich person being given a $75k speeding ticket or something.
I do agree with the concept of traffic laws, but I went back to my home state of Iowa recently and it was seriously comical, cameras everywhere, stoplights but just randomly along the road, everyone was driving exactly the speed limit and I was going insane. Having humans involved in policing does introduce biases but it also introduces common sense and good judgement.
I like the idea of mobile camera units, so bad spots can be focused on, people understand that it’s a bad spot, but it doesn’t turn into a permanent fixture.
Government surveillance tracking device you mean? Enrich the local cops devices? Over half of violations monies collected goes to the corporations that market them to local and state officials with lavish dinners and vacations devices? Financial incentive to calibrate them to flag innocent drivers knowing there is little to no recourse against the company devices? 5.5 lbs you say?
Friendly reminder that no technology is ever intrinsically good or bad, that is determined by who wields it and to what end.
I just don’t think there’s that much copper in a camera. That’s a lot of weight for a camera by itself.
It’s true! Little known fact, they also have their own catalytic converter
Gold coin pop out the top WAA-HOO
surveillance like this violates the non-aggression principle (which, being someone who’s left-libertarian, should be rewritten and reinterpreted to say ‘DON’T use force or coercion on anyone, except for self-defense, or the defense of your community’)
Speed traps and traffic light cameras are defense of the community though.
like speed bumps?
Speed bumps can’t tell if someone is ignoring red lights.
Too bad it’s not true.
Sounds about like the techbros. Tech isn’t there yet, but let’s deploy it anyway and start making money.
only reason you shouldn’t is have accountability for maybe not you, but for the bad drivers.
The USA needs more speed traps (all sorts), red light cameras, traffic circles and draconian fines to prevent the undisciplined idiots from killing people.
draconian fines
nah fam
Why is that a problem ? Do you intend to risking the lives of others on the road ?
Class warfare. Rich people get a free pass commit crimes.
That was the point of Gamelfisch. Make the rich feel the fines.
I’d add the swîss system could be used with fines that scale with wealth.
I mean, it’s not a free pass, it’s just a pass they’re willing and able to pay for.
Ea Nasir is a really interesting case study of how one piece of information can be interpreted in two completely different ways.
One interpretation, and the one most people know, is that the authors of the clay tablets complaints are legitimate.
The other is that Ea Nasir kept them as a record of people attempting to harm his reputation. So he could remember who to avoid doing business with in the future.
Why don’t y’all just get to machine learn all those fucking tablets you dug up, like hundreds of thousands of them, and train a fucking AI on that shit and tell us what it says instead of sitting here being a besserwisser online, HMM? If there was one good cause for AI, cuneiform would be it. Just god damned saying.
Edit: just btw I happen to know that the problem is mainly the first training set, you need cuneiformers to correctly give the answers so the model knows what to train on, and there’s like seven people in the world who do that, but I’m thinking, what if we trained an AI model on all the cuneiform we do know? Hit me up for proposals, I’m serious about this shit
Also ancient Sumer had a pretty decent legal system for it’s time, it’s entirely possible Ea-Nasir was keeping the tablets for a possible court case. So the ancient equivalent of saving texts from a shit customer.
Your honor, I have 500 lbs of receipts.
“What’s a pound? Some savages measurements from the east? We use mina.”
Mina? I barely mined’a!
I will go home now, don’t mind me, coming through, heyyyup.
So it’s like the Lemmy modlog. Maybe it’s a log of mods calling out bad users, maybe it’s a log of mods lying and power tripping.
^ this person has been horribly wronged.
Awww, thanks! ^^
It was meant as an observation, but I’m glad you take such passion in your work, Mummy’s Little Blood Slut! <3
- he was gathering evidence of an employee or delivery partner comitting fraud
I would give this merchant zero stars if I could
Awful copper
Worst trade experiemce of my life. I will not be returning
Best copper
Best trade I ever had. I will for sure return.
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5 stars
Suppliuppliuma II accepts your proposition, in spite of wearing nothing but an over-sized bath towel.
And flock cameras are apparently easily rooted and repurposed.
I heard the ones in school zones actually have 10lb of copper and a chocolate bar inside
