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LLMs in current form are protested because they’re a worthless “technology” that also wastes a fuck ton of resources so the ruling class can do IP theft at scale.
Meat apoligists are also weird, just saying. Meat Production is way worse than AI. Lots of animals are sufferint and it’s very bad for the enviornment.
Global South doesn’t eat enough meat. Let’s get rid of first worlders being fat and lazy, and distribute the food to all countries equally, then talk about meat consumption.
What do you mean by “eat enough meat”? Humans don’t have a biological need to eat meat, so by definition technically everyone has “enough” meat. If you just mean in terms of fairness then sure, the global south should get a bigger share of resources, that’s clear.
How the fuck can we get enough protein without eating enough meat? People in global south do not only suffer from calorie deficiency but also protein deficiency, which is related to meat (red or white) and dairy usage.
Maybe for first worlders who can be vegetarians because they like the identity, people who are malnourished need adequate resources, and a diet with meat and dairy is the most efficient way for a large population, at the moment.
/s? Because through like… every other abundant source of protein. We actually eat way, way too much protein on average, which your body has to just filter out. It does you no good and just overworks your liver.
Soy, rice, beans, legumes, and many other foods provide abundant protein.
If you want to worry about not getting enough of something, focus on fiber.
I do. And so do a ton of other people with digestion/absorption diseases/issues. And for some of us it is a source of recurring stress. Maybe try to be as inclusive in your statements around diet as you would around anything else.
Would you be willing to cite a link to medical information regarding such issues? I’ve spent a long time looking for such things in the past and have never been able to find any evidence for what you suggest.
The stuff in the spoilered section that follows is all from the clanker summary in a google search since I’m on my way out the door. My own experience is below if you wanna skip the summaries.
Spoilered in case some folks don't wanna see llm generated summaries.
Crohn’s disease sufferers face immense challenges going vegan because a traditional plant-based diet relies heavily on foods that are structurally and texturally aggressive to an inflamed digestive tract. While plant-based diets offer great health benefits for the general public, the fundamental components of veganism directly clash with the physiological limitations of Crohn’s
The Insoluble Fiber “Sandpaper” Effect - A standard vegan diet is inherently packed with insoluble fiber from raw fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and bean skins.
Mechanical Irritation: Insoluble fiber does not dissolve in water and remains bulky as it passes through the intestines. In an inflamed, raw, or ulcerated bowel, this rough texture acts like sandpaper, causing intense cramping, bloating, and pain.
Stricture Risks: Chronic inflammation often creates strictures (narrowed sections of scar tissue). Coarse, fibrous vegan foods can get physically trapped in these narrow pathways, creating a high risk for dangerous bowel obstructions
Limited Safe Protein Options - Protein is essential for healing damaged gut tissue, but a vegan diet eliminates animal proteins, forcing reliance on plant alternatives that are notoriously difficult for Crohn’s patients to tolerate during flares
Legumes and Beans: Foods like lentils, chickpeas, and black beans are vegan staples but are packed with complex sugars (FODMAPs) and tough skins that trigger severe gas, pressure, and diarrhea.
Nuts and Seeds: These are incredibly hard to break down completely by chewing. The sharp, jagged fragments can scrape against the intestinal lining and easily irritate inflamed areas
Compounded Malabsorption and Deficiencies - Crohn’s disease already severely compromises the small intestine’s ability to absorb vital nutrients. Layering a restrictive vegan diet on top of an already malfunctioning gut drastically compounds the risk of malnutrition:
B12 and Iron: Crohn’s frequently causes deficiencies in Vitamin B12 and iron due to ileal inflammation and bleeding. Because plant-based sources of iron (non-heme) are much harder to absorb than animal sources, and B12 is natively absent in plant foods, vegan Crohn’s patients face rapid depletion.
Caloric Density: Plant foods are highly filling but volume-for-volume contain fewer calories than animal fats and proteins. When a flare limits how much volume a patient can physically eat, a vegan diet makes it incredibly difficult to consume enough daily calories to prevent dangerous weight loss
My experience:
For me, personally, when I try to go ‘more vegetarian’ what I end up with is undigested veg in the toilet and enough pain to keep me bedridden for a week or more. I have tried this many times over the course of treating my disease. From ‘meatless mondays’ to simply having all of my veg in boiled and mashed form (holy fuck does that get old fast).
The blood tests I take every month before my iron infusions show the impact even more clearly than my pain. When I cut out meat my blood work comes back with negligiable amounts of many important vitamin and minerals. A good example would be iron. I have to get constant iron shots even while eating a meat-heavy diet because my digestive tract does not absorb it from food, pills, or even the disgusting liquid format. The same goes for b12, magnesium, and a pile of other important compounds.
This is all not even mentioning the severe intestinal blockages and diarrhea (Yeah… both of these at once) associated with chickpeas, lentils, beans, or even commercially sourced protein powders.
I would very much love to be ‘more vegetarian’, But for me that trade-off would be endless suffering and an early death from malnutrition.
Why does everyone jump to AI? A gigantic portion of data centers power streaming services, cloud hosting, and content delivery networks / caching services.
I understand the sentiment against the proliferation of data centers and the impact they have on the local environment but services people consume on the regular have driven this for years now.
Because those services are actually useful. LLMs are just plagiarism machines. The only way they are remotely useful is because they “saved” a lot of money by stealing all the data on the internet. And even then, they have to operate at a huge loss. They’re also stealing from everyone by getting government subsidies and by ignoring environmental laws.
Remember, just because data is on the internet, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an owner.
If billionaires played by everyone’s rules and had to operate with profit, LLMs would be so incredibly expensive that no one would use them. They only seem remotely useful because basically all of society is footing part of the bill.
For the other services provided for data centers, whoever uses them does pay them, and it’s not expensive. You don’t need 5GW to serve a 30 minute video.
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AI apologists in the wild are so weird.
LLMs in current form are protested because they’re a worthless “technology” that also wastes a fuck ton of resources so the ruling class can do IP theft at scale.
You can find both of them bad. It’s simple, we have big enough brains usually.
This article about data centers though. Trying to whataboutism is forum sliding.
Meat apoligists are also weird, just saying. Meat Production is way worse than AI. Lots of animals are sufferint and it’s very bad for the enviornment.
Yeah let’s get rid of meat and agriculture and eat ai tokens
No, let’s get rid of ai and meat and eat more sustainable foods.
Global South doesn’t eat enough meat. Let’s get rid of first worlders being fat and lazy, and distribute the food to all countries equally, then talk about meat consumption.
What do you mean by “eat enough meat”? Humans don’t have a biological need to eat meat, so by definition technically everyone has “enough” meat. If you just mean in terms of fairness then sure, the global south should get a bigger share of resources, that’s clear.
How the fuck can we get enough protein without eating enough meat? People in global south do not only suffer from calorie deficiency but also protein deficiency, which is related to meat (red or white) and dairy usage.
https://www.google.com/search?q=vegetarian+protein+sources
Maybe for first worlders who can be vegetarians because they like the identity, people who are malnourished need adequate resources, and a diet with meat and dairy is the most efficient way for a large population, at the moment.
/s? Because through like… every other abundant source of protein. We actually eat way, way too much protein on average, which your body has to just filter out. It does you no good and just overworks your liver.
Soy, rice, beans, legumes, and many other foods provide abundant protein.
If you want to worry about not getting enough of something, focus on fiber.
I do. And so do a ton of other people with digestion/absorption diseases/issues. And for some of us it is a source of recurring stress. Maybe try to be as inclusive in your statements around diet as you would around anything else.
Would you be willing to cite a link to medical information regarding such issues? I’ve spent a long time looking for such things in the past and have never been able to find any evidence for what you suggest.
I’m not in a position to do a bunch of journal sourcing right now. But you can get some information here as a start:
https://nalmclinic.com/blog-1/2021/1/22/vegan-diet-and-inflammatory-bowel-disease
https://www.crohnscolitisfoundation.org/patientsandcaregivers/diet-and-nutrition/what-should-i-eat#Foods_to_Minimize_in_Diet
The stuff in the spoilered section that follows is all from the clanker summary in a google search since I’m on my way out the door. My own experience is below if you wanna skip the summaries.
Spoilered in case some folks don't wanna see llm generated summaries.
Crohn’s disease sufferers face immense challenges going vegan because a traditional plant-based diet relies heavily on foods that are structurally and texturally aggressive to an inflamed digestive tract. While plant-based diets offer great health benefits for the general public, the fundamental components of veganism directly clash with the physiological limitations of Crohn’s
The Insoluble Fiber “Sandpaper” Effect - A standard vegan diet is inherently packed with insoluble fiber from raw fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and bean skins.
Mechanical Irritation: Insoluble fiber does not dissolve in water and remains bulky as it passes through the intestines. In an inflamed, raw, or ulcerated bowel, this rough texture acts like sandpaper, causing intense cramping, bloating, and pain.
Stricture Risks: Chronic inflammation often creates strictures (narrowed sections of scar tissue). Coarse, fibrous vegan foods can get physically trapped in these narrow pathways, creating a high risk for dangerous bowel obstructions
Limited Safe Protein Options - Protein is essential for healing damaged gut tissue, but a vegan diet eliminates animal proteins, forcing reliance on plant alternatives that are notoriously difficult for Crohn’s patients to tolerate during flares
Legumes and Beans: Foods like lentils, chickpeas, and black beans are vegan staples but are packed with complex sugars (FODMAPs) and tough skins that trigger severe gas, pressure, and diarrhea.
Nuts and Seeds: These are incredibly hard to break down completely by chewing. The sharp, jagged fragments can scrape against the intestinal lining and easily irritate inflamed areas
Compounded Malabsorption and Deficiencies - Crohn’s disease already severely compromises the small intestine’s ability to absorb vital nutrients. Layering a restrictive vegan diet on top of an already malfunctioning gut drastically compounds the risk of malnutrition:
B12 and Iron: Crohn’s frequently causes deficiencies in Vitamin B12 and iron due to ileal inflammation and bleeding. Because plant-based sources of iron (non-heme) are much harder to absorb than animal sources, and B12 is natively absent in plant foods, vegan Crohn’s patients face rapid depletion.
Caloric Density: Plant foods are highly filling but volume-for-volume contain fewer calories than animal fats and proteins. When a flare limits how much volume a patient can physically eat, a vegan diet makes it incredibly difficult to consume enough daily calories to prevent dangerous weight loss
My experience:
For me, personally, when I try to go ‘more vegetarian’ what I end up with is undigested veg in the toilet and enough pain to keep me bedridden for a week or more. I have tried this many times over the course of treating my disease. From ‘meatless mondays’ to simply having all of my veg in boiled and mashed form (holy fuck does that get old fast).
The blood tests I take every month before my iron infusions show the impact even more clearly than my pain. When I cut out meat my blood work comes back with negligiable amounts of many important vitamin and minerals. A good example would be iron. I have to get constant iron shots even while eating a meat-heavy diet because my digestive tract does not absorb it from food, pills, or even the disgusting liquid format. The same goes for b12, magnesium, and a pile of other important compounds.
This is all not even mentioning the severe intestinal blockages and diarrhea (Yeah… both of these at once) associated with chickpeas, lentils, beans, or even commercially sourced protein powders.
I would very much love to be ‘more vegetarian’, But for me that trade-off would be endless suffering and an early death from malnutrition.
HTH
Nice Forum sliding attempt.
I love that you’re saying they’re worthless, and at the same time the ruling class is using them effectively to do something.
It’s a great argument.
Value extraction is something but it’s not the same as producing value
Imagine bootlicking parasitic LLM companies
Why does everyone jump to AI? A gigantic portion of data centers power streaming services, cloud hosting, and content delivery networks / caching services.
I understand the sentiment against the proliferation of data centers and the impact they have on the local environment but services people consume on the regular have driven this for years now.
This is exactly my point, people aren’t using their brains with their anti-AI arguments. They’re very emotional responses rather than actual problems.
Because those services are actually useful. LLMs are just plagiarism machines. The only way they are remotely useful is because they “saved” a lot of money by stealing all the data on the internet. And even then, they have to operate at a huge loss. They’re also stealing from everyone by getting government subsidies and by ignoring environmental laws.
Remember, just because data is on the internet, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an owner.
If billionaires played by everyone’s rules and had to operate with profit, LLMs would be so incredibly expensive that no one would use them. They only seem remotely useful because basically all of society is footing part of the bill.
For the other services provided for data centers, whoever uses them does pay them, and it’s not expensive. You don’t need 5GW to serve a 30 minute video.
Except it’s using very little water overall
Ban almonds. They suck anyways.
Almonds and Beef are just two examples of massive water uses that make the datacenters look like they’re trying to drink the ocean with a straw.