All flights in the United States are grounded until further notice “due to extraordinary circumstances and for reasons of safety,” the Federal Aviation Administration said in a statement.
The FAA issued the ground stop “following a communication issue impacting all Air Route Traffic Control Centers,” Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy said in a social media post. “FAA technicians are investigating the issue.”
Air Route Traffic Control Centers are regional facilities that handle flights going across the country.
“Traffic should remain ground stopped until further notice,” the FAA said in an advisory. “International flights will be managed on a case by case basis.”
The flights seem to have resumed about an hour ago.
So all flights in, and to the country were on hold for 12 hours, because somebody really wanted to replace all air traffic workers with Grok?
This is the government that promised to create millions of jobs. I guess they never specified whether the jobs will be for people or GPUs.
I’m trapped in the airport until Monday :|
Seems this fascist regime can’t get the planes to run on time.
Does anyone have a guess as to what this is about?
-AI Slopocalypse?
-Hacking from Russians/Irans/etc?
-Shakedown for 50 Billion dollars and just completely fake to get more money for an agency?
-UFOs?
-A test to see how the public will respond (to guage reactions for future things that may happen, like war)?
I really don’t know what’s most likely, and, unfortunately, since the US Government is legally allowed to lie to people and has lied to people many times (https://www.bolde.com/14-times-governments-lied-and-people-only-found-out-decades-later/), I just can’t really trust the official reasons to be true.
Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene (who is a bad person because she doesn’t support trans people) has said in a widely viewed post that they are clearly lying.
So it’s indeed the result of implementing an AI system that completely overwhelmed the traffic control systems.
How is there no oversight or proper testing? And why roll this out on a Friday?
Everything reaks of incompetence. This regime is so lucky nothing bad happened and lives were lost.
Now this asshat in charge of the department of transportation, wants 50 billion dollars and blames the Biden administration.
Fuck all.
Where can I read about your confident conclusion?
They also want 50 billion for a brand new system to fix the issue.
read
links a video
Appreciate the source but thought that was rather funny.
I can see the case for wanting to rip and replace, building greenfield to wait along brownfield for a hard cut. I really do.
Inteconnecting really old shit…the type of shit where most the original developers are long dead, adds a ton of cost and, more importantly, complexity onto what could otherwise be a rather straightforward replacement.
Generally, at least.
But I don’t trust this administration to properly do that. Like, at all. I’m generally rather comfortable flying…that second dude just shot down all my confidence in ATC as it stands now.
A $50b project would be $30b spent to the lowest bidders (who will conveniently be a friend of Trump’s, and will also run behind schedule and over-budget) and $20b handed to Trump and friends.
Thanks for the link. They didn’t mention AI here, and instead vaguely mentioned “new equipment overwhelming the old equipment”. I had heard it was network switches, which might make sense with that half-assed explanation.
Dammit Biden!
Thanks Obama!
How did Flavor Flave seem to know before everybody else?
He requested it, and FAA had no choice but to shut things down
In addition to his other duties, Flavor Flav is also official timekeeper for the FAA. He keeps all the clocks synced in the nation’s air traffic control towers. He just had a sick day today.
What else do you think the clock was for?
The clock on his chest proves he don’t fess.
He’s clocker rockin, rockin with the best.At work we use rubidium-87 clocks synced against GPS for highly accurate time keeping. GPS satellites sync their time against Flav.
Check his Kalshi bets.
He saw the FAA announce the rollout of a new system to replace the old reliable one that was created by people who knew wtf they were doing.
The FAA tweet that said “goodbye to paper” basically gave everyone who ever worked in government IT a massive heads-up
Always does shit right after markets close on Fridays. Such a corrupt ghoul.
I looked it up. The SMART AI used is from a private company. I admit I wanted to see their stocks tank on Monday… but alas.
Marc Andreessen is a big seed investor in the company and apparently lobbied Trump to implement the companies product(s). Fuck Marc Andreessen
Because he’s in the Pacific Time Zone?
The post was 20:51 UTC. According to Wikipedia and the FAA database itself, the advisory wasn’t issued until 20:54 UTC.
So I should ask him to give me some lottery numbers? 😊
When asked if AI had anything to do with the outage DHS secretary Mark Wayne Mullin replied “We call it SI around here remember?”
I wish I was kidding.
I mean ofc it was. They turned it on the same day they had to ground the planes.
https://gizmodo.com/the-faa-is-rolling-out-its-ai-air-traffic-tool-nationwide-2000839347
Here is a link to the above quote if anyone wants it.
Flight crews over the US flying on instruments
Surely you cant be serious
I am serious. And stop calling me Shirley.
Is ATC in the US MS Teams based?
They use copilot.
They ran out of AI tokens.
Or even worse: Outlook based!
From yesterday:
“Chat GBB what’s a tarmac?”
September and claims it has already rerouted 180 flights for average savings of 10 minutes and 80 gallons of fuel, Ars wrote (that’s just shy of $345 per flight, at jet fuel rates of $4.31/gallon as of Thursday).
A tool that cost a little under a BILLION dollars…so far…saved $62,000? That’s the stupidest waste of taxpayer money in the last 5 minutes with this administration. And of course it saved airlines the money, while taxpayers got stuck with the $800 million dollar bill for the WalMart brand airplane route planner.
It’s not going to save anyone any money on flights because companies just pocket the difference, but does anyone know how the jet gas/ diesel/ consumer auto gas markets are connected? Is there a chance the reduced jet fuel demand reduces prices at the pump? That’s probably the bigger picture goal here even if it doesn’t actually work that way, because our government is run by dumbasses who wouldn’t even think to ask if they’re connected.
This looks like one of those large upfront costs things that saves money over the long run because new critical infrastructure systems always cost a lot upfront and need a slow rollout to prevent things like, say, grounding every single flight in the country, but long term pay for themselves. On paper I’m usually in favor of short term spend for long term savings but unfortunately this is a kleptocracy and this is an indirect handout to the airlines.
The petroleum market is very complex and I don’t have the brains to dig into it. Suffice to say that thanks to all the bombs and missiles flying around and hitting oil infrastructure right now the markets have become unhinged as far as what oil costs and what refined products cost and the reltaionships between those and market/future prices. IOW per bbl cost can be down and gas prices up, or vice versa. For now though just know that it’s going to be years before proces could start coming back down thanks to the destroyed refining and shipping capabilities.
But anyway, you already answered your question…they pocket the difference. And odds are that even if refining capability catches back up, consumers won’t see a commensurate drop in price. “Record profits”, y’know.
Based on the description in the article, it doesn’t sound like LLMs. It sounds like they are using the older meaning of AI to refer to just computer programs in general.
Wow, our government will do literally anything to avoid having to pay decent wages and benefits to air traffic controllers.
FAA denies it’s related to the new system. they say it’s a communication equipment outage.
so 🤷
… From the CNN article linked in this thread:
Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin pointed to FAA updates to the air traffic control system as the reason behind today’s nationwide ground stop. He said the FAA added new technology to the old system, causing the massive breakdown.
yeah but it wasn’t the ai system
an update to the private communications network that connects America’s air traffic control system caused the system to reboot, leading to a crash and a communications outage
edit: more medias are reporting this: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-aviation-shutdown-blamed-l3-harris-installed-router-2026-11-14/
Dude, seriously, STOP linking to CBS news as if it’s a legitimate news organization? Stop it.
What’s up with CBS?
It was bought by Larry ellisons son, who promptly placed Bari Wiess as CEO, a woman who’s only bualification is a low view count “independent” news org.
Basically they are a mouthpiece for the administration now. All dissenting journalists purged. Can’t trust what they report on things like this
Hey Claude, is runway 5 free?
“Oops, sorry. You’re absolutely right to question that. Runway 5 did have a plane already on it with 254 passengers on board. Would you like me to assist with notifying their next of kin?”
Did the FAA ask its new AI to “safely bring back online the Air Route Traffic Control Centers without breaking anything else. Make no mistakes!” ?
Found out about it when our flight landed and the pilot made an announcement. No other info than there was a ground order, immediate thought was 9/11
My immediate thought was Airplane! (1980) starring Robert Hays and Julie Hagerty and featuring Leslie Nielsen.
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Have you ever seen the inside of a Turkish prison?
They just upgraded from floppy drives. My money is on them letting a virus into the system, or that the new system had major security problems.
https://www.techspot.com/news/114471-almost-2027-faa-finally-replacing-floppy-disks-used.html
“The FAA wants E-IDS installed at 435 facilities by the end of 2028. Five sites have already replaced their floppy disk-based systems: Atlantic City International Airport, Nashville International Airport, Greater Rochester International Airport, and data processing hubs in Atlanta and Salt Lake City”
Edit: it looks like they also just started expanding and AI traffic management system nationwide.
https://avweb.com/aviation-news/faa-expands-ai-assisted-traffic-management/
Some piece of data for Delta didn’t go through Atlanta and the whole thing panicked.
No. It’s even worse than that: A box truck containing Pepsi products was caught delivering to a vendor in ATL!
Shut. Down. EVERYTHING.
