My wife has asked me not to turn the house into a tech junkyard.
Madness? Buying a new computer every 2 years because the OS vendor is in cahoots with hardware manufacturers is madness. This is rational usage of resources for your benefit.
OS vendor is in cahoots with hardware manufacturers
That’s pretty much the strategy since Microsoft has been established. It’s not very creative, it’s not even legal, so it’s impressive (in a bad way) that they manage to keep on making it work.
it’s not even legal
Isn’t there one that has both, the OS vendor and the hardware seller as a same entity?
My problem is that because of Linux I can almost never throw away an old computer. I’ve got a bloody netbook around here somewhere running Lubuntu.
I had to accept a few years back that my venerable eeePC 1000 netbook with it’s single core (2 threads!) Atom CPU is just not useful any longer, even with the most lightweight distro.
I’ll never let that particular machine go though, because it means a lot to me. I bought it with my first paycheck from my first job after university, and the year after (as the only portable machine I owned) it saw me through a whole year working abroad. Managed everything from Skype calls with my parents to browsing the Internet and watching YouTube, and that was running Windows!
Trying to do something with it now is just a reminder of how outrageously bloated and resource-heavy modern apps have become, especially those that are just electron web wrappers. And the web itself is exponentially more demanding to render.
It’s not your fault little eee, you’re just the same as ever. It’s the world that changed.
I suppose I could use it as an IRC terminal or something, that would be pretty hipster. But I’d just be wasting electricity.
That brings back memories. I had an eeePC back in the day also! A fine little portable machine in it’s time. But yes, time passed it by. I’ve got 2 old 16" laptops sitting on a shelf that no longer power on at all. And 2 old Chrome books that still light up. I should really do something with those I suppose.
My current fascination is mini desktops. I have an N100 mini with 8gigs of shared memory. It came with Win10 on it but that only lasted until I wiped it and did a bit distro surfing before settling on Fedora 41 Cinnamon. As a student/lite office machine that only cost me $90US from amazon, (I had an unused HDMI monitor), it’s amazingly sturdy to use. I want a bit better one now…
They are bloody spectacular for programming arduino or flashing your 3D printer.
I started my Linux journey as a poor high school college student and while I got hand-me-down windows machines at home, I worried about breaking them fiddling with things beyond my knowledge level. A budget basement eeePC became my workbench and I started tinkering. I had to drive to the next city to find one in stock. Today the gas would cost more than the computer. :-D
I’d still be running the eee but it got put in the closet when many distros dropped 32 bit support.
Could set it up as a fileserver
I could :)
But these days I have actual servers to do server things (2x HP Gen 8 Microservers which I saved from e-waste) so my little eee is kept only for love and nostalgia.
Windows: creates e-waste
Linux: undoes e-waste
Windows: creates e-waste
Linux: collects e-waste under the stairs “just in case it’s useful”
All the computers living under the stairs are running some server function. 🤷♂️
They’re heating the room too so technically it’s a radiator with network attached storage!
SmArt RAdiAToR!!
That was literally a hostname I gave one box I had in my life
We’ve been having short power cuts lately (rural area, windy!) and now it’s starting to look like my Dell Optiplex sMaRt RaDiAtOr 50w homelab/studio/shed heater could do with a UPS to protect against data loss! Though it does have btrfs raid1 which is pretty handy for a
radiatorRAID1ator!
Buy e-waste? I have people give it to me for free. Offer to recycle it for them.
The classic
offers to recycle
actually installs esoteric Linux distros
Classic!
I have a laptop that I use regularly that I actually found at the recycle center when I dropped off some bottles. It is running Linux of course.
Yeah this is basically what I do. People like giving me their stuff because I’m transparent about the deal:
- If at all possible, I will wipe it for you.
- If it’s usable, I will either add it to my TrashCloud™ or (especially for laptops) set it up for a kid.
- Parts/devices that I cannot get working I will take to electronics recycling.
- No iPhones/iPads.
Big thumbs up from me on the no iPhone/iPad policy.
That crap is ewaste as soon as Apple inc, decides it’s not worth supporting anymore with no option to load a different OS on it. Arguably, it’s ewaste before that, but I digress.
It just sucks that the hardware is made specifically to be incapable of running anything but the OS it was built for, which is entirely controlled by a profit-driven company by way of closed source software.
Say all the bad things you want about them (I certainly do), but it’s hard to say that their hardware isn’t good. It’s just sabotaged at the factory by their firmware and OS, condemning it to a mediocre and finite existence.
I love Lemmy.
I was wondering whether I was going to have to explain that rule to a crowd of angry zealots, furious that I could possibly oppose the Great and Mighty Apple like that.
I’m not opposed to having macs in my collection (though as it so happens right now I don’t have any), because it’s not about hating Apple and entirely about whether I can do something useful with the hardware.
A majority of the ARM hardware I have is old Android phones booting a pretty standard Linux distro with custom kernels. Most of them have drivers missing for various pieces of hardware, but as long as they can boot, connect to my homelab network over USB and run containers, they make excellent build/test devices.
It’s shocking how much corpos just ruin perfectly good electronics by making it busted from the factory
Hot take
If the world was running on GNU/Linux for endpoints, tech-normies would still be using computers from 2010. And this would cut massively into laptop OEM’s bottom line. Therefore I think it’s a quiet conspiracy where laptop manufacturers or the computer OEMs shut up about Windows being bad because just imagine if everyone would be running GNU/Linux. You could use laptops from 2010 with “regular” distros and be completely fine. With light distros you could use things from the 1990’s for all tech normie tasks, web-browsing, text editing, e-mail, etc.
TLDR: Microshit Windows bad.
Your theory is based on the assumption that only Windows/Microsoft software increases in bloat exponentially.
This is not true: look at the internet. For example Gmail used to have a basic HTML version, but Google killed it, and the normal version takes longer and longer to load even on new hardware. New Reddit also is a mess of over-Javascript-frameworked capitalistry, complete with those annoying grey lines that appear where text should be when the page is loading.
Even open-source software is not immune to this. KDE on an Intel Celeron/2GB RAM computer feels very slightly sluggish, like walking through an atmosphere that’s too thick.
Wirth’s Law states that as more features are added to a piece of software, it will become slower.
Before the arbitrary Windows 11 hardware restrictions, this was exactly what was happening on the Windows side as well. There are still tons of 10-15yo Windows devices around, happily running Win10.
“Regular” people also only upgrade their PC once the old one breaks or if they really encounter something that doesn’t work on the old PC (mostly games if they do play somewhat modern games).
In fact, Windows used to have really awesome long-term-support and forever long upgrade support. You can easily run Win10 on a quality high-performance PC from 2008. But with Win11, they just tossed all that in the drain.
In that thought experiment there are more scenarios. Remembering that stepping on a butterfly can change… This is, small input changes can have big repercussions down the line.
You cannot assume what Linux would be in that scenario.
Who knows if it would have been colored by a main corporation.
Capitalism would have found a way to leverage it and new computers would be sold.
While I do agree that the Windows upgrade circle is vicious and manufacturers benefit from it every time they sell a new machine. It’s not the whole problem Linux needs to over come.
There is an incredibly large amount of sheer inertia that needs to be overcome. And that’s a lot harder to to break than the upgrade cycle because users don’t like change. It’s like a huge boulder rolling down a mountain. And while you can see little pieces of it chip off now and then. It’s due to the sheer size of that boulder that it ain’t stopping anytime soon.
It’s going to a lot longer before the “Year of Linux” ever happens.
If you can believe it, there are some people who will straight up give you their e-waste, as if it’s trash or something!
I have 3 old cellphones that for the life of me, no matter how hard I tried - couldn’t install an alt android OS on it
One device was compatible - but I couldn’t unlock the boot loader
One device was never tested against any alt OSes
One device was carrier locked.
I also have one old Galaxy Tab that I spent weeks trying to flash another ROM to it - and it fails every time.
I’m 0/4 on trying to reanimate old android hardware - it’s just too difficult and too much hoops to go through.
At least I’m fairly capable with installing Linux on old laptops - and given that a new wave of Win11 compatible laptops is coming - I’ll get to do it more frequently soon.
I haven’t tried to do LUKS yet, and I’m dying to get my hands on a Yubikey and learn what I can make it do.
Mobile device flashing is a fucking alien world. Samsung products are not good for it, especially in the US.
The alt OS’s are mainly built against ancient hardware, and the SKUs that work are so limited that they’re not particularly cheap on the used market.
The best thing you can do is go fairphone or pixel and specifically get one of the models that is directly claimed as supported.
If you can’t get it to work, find the OS forums and hop in, someone will bend over backward to help you out if you’re nice about it.
Yeah. I have like 5 collecting dust. Should give them away (not us) but I’m pretending that I’ll set up a fake cloud service to try terraform (open stack maybe?)
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Getting visibly annoyed whe you find out you can’t easily run mainline linux on some proprietary piece of hardware like a phone or smart TV.
But hey at least my robot vacuum runs on Ubuntu by default lol.
And Taco Bell drive thru, apparently
Trader Joe’s registers run Suse.
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My vacuum proudly runs Valetudo!
Haha same! FIrst thing I did was make a soundpack and install oucher so it makes funny voicelines when it bumps into objects lol.
That. Is fucking. Amazing.
This might be the single reason I buy vacuums of this brand on the future.
Only works for Roborock, right? Would love that for my bot, but it’s a Dreame.
Voice pack should work: https://github.com/Findus23/voice_pack_dreame
As for oucher, you’d probably have to write your own program or script depending on how Dreame’s bump works. For Roborock it watches a logfile for bumper events, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you can find something similar in Dreame or even something like /dev/sensor1 that you can poll.
Wait really?
Yeah on Roborock at least, dunno if they changed distros for newer robots though.
Oh wow and it comes with Matter support for local server use!!!
My 1 dollar vacuum I got at a thrift store is still chugging somehow.
The dump I go to every week to drop off my household garbage has an e waste shed. The guys that work there told me I can pick through it. My basement is a pc graveyard now.
This is the life I want for myself.
I came here to discover why this tactics gets the full clown… yes… we must renew machines and THEN GIVE THEM AWAY.
Yeah I tend to archive hardware till I meet someone who needs a system then I try to put something together that meets their needs. Otherwise I mothball it till I have a hardware failure in one of my servers etc. Thankfully the systems I am taking are heading for a grinder somewhere and not being repurposed.
Exactly.
In the late zeroes, the local recycle place got a bunch of full monitors as a local business transitioned to flat screens. I grabbed about twelve of them, thinking I would be able to build machines for kids without computers. I placed three full systems before we moved and I sadly had to dump a slew of them because we didn’t have space in the moving truck. Learned my lesson.
I’ve started keeping a handful of cases and I test all the hardware, catalog it and then put it in totes layered with anti static bubble wrap. Works great for jamming a large density of hardware in a small space!
At my dump, you get weighed on the way in and out and you pay for the weight you drop. So, if you leave your garbage and load up some ewaste, it saves you money. They are literally paying you to take it away.
What’s the oldest?
So far 2008-2009. Waiting to find some quality beige cases lol
What? Don’t look at me like that! I totally need 70 computers! Yes they’re useful! They all have their purpose! That one? Its job is to be force-fed whatever weird obscure Linux distribution I just heard of! Oh, that one? That’s for testing Arch Linux configs on 25 year old hardware!
My go to for reliable Linux platforms is anything off-lease. Workstation class systems are extremely robust most of the time. I have some that have been in 24/7 operation since I bought them years ago and they’re showing zero signs of slowing down. I love it.
Ewaste is also a good place to look for still good but deemed unworthy of use by a faceless, soulless corporation stuff. Usually tends to be a bit older, but it’s usually fine.
Have fun friends, there’s no wrong answers.
Have fun friends, there’s no wrong answers.
Sadly, there is though: as nice and fascinating as it is to get a usable computer out of vintage hardware - sometimes the power consumption is too bad to justify not recycling the hardware :(
This is a completely valid concern. I recently moved my homelab from core 2 era xeons (not second Gen core i-series… Core2), over to Xeon E5 v4 processors. I looked today and the systems take about the same amount of power, but now instead of six cores, I have 10, and they’re newer, faster in every way…
Power draw didn’t change but now I can run something like 3-4x the workloads, which means I can cut the size by 1/3rd and I would drop power consumption and gain more computing power.
There is absolutely a limit to what’s useful. You won’t find anyone running a Pentium 3 anymore, even with Linux. It’s just not sensible.
I’d argue that anything core i-series 4th Gen or older, probably needs to be decommissioned soon, if not already. Most of the workloads that you could use that stuff for can easily be handled by a raspberry Pi, which will use less than 1/10th the power to do it.
Basically, if what you’re doing can be 100% completed in whole on a pi, either you need to upgrade, or simply move it to a pi. Simple as that. Anything else is just burning power and heating your home with little benefit.
Exactly this, I got a gaming tower for free from a Friend featuring a nvidia gtx 980 and learned a short time ago, that my new m4pro laptop has nearly 5x gpu power for a fraction of electricity power needed in comparison
I started at the bottom with ewaste, it is truly amazing what companies will just throw away because they don’t want to deal with it.
I am really looking forward to picking up some cheap used mini PCs here in a few months after the market gets flooded from corporates disposing of their old hardware because of the Windows 10 end of life. Consumers have already started ditching them now, but it takes a minute for enterprise to get it to a disposal company who then gets to pawn it off on the used market and that’s the good stuff.
A combination of warranty expiry, the tenancy to replace instead of repair/upgrade, Windows 10 being the go to, even after W11 launched, and the W10 end of life, all combine into a neat pile of ewaste from enterprises that’s flooding the market.
It’s a great time for those of us that use enterprise company discards as computers.
Your average company is woefully prepared to deal with ewaste. If you sell it, there are legal and financial ramifications. Assuming you could make at most a couple hundred on a box, the labor to take it someplace, deal with finance, deal with legal, deal with returns for anything that goes doa in the move. The best you can do is sell or give it to a wholesaler who will give you near nothing for it to shoulder the risk.
Whenever possible, I release old hardware to end users. Refresh it, let them give it to their kids/family/whatever.
Yes! Gotta figure out the new models, hopefully it will be some good times. I just love being 5 years after, at a fraction of the price.
I’m pretty certain at this point that I’m about to be forced to buy some programming socks.
Linux being a sexuality is a myth!
I beg to disagree. I am only attracted to Linux users.
Ehh, big bucks and job security can be quite an afridesiac. Just have to make sure to stay clean and presentable, and share some leisure activities that your potential mates will enjoy.
Does anyone have a few optiplexes lying around?
My favorite dependable cheap Linux host. Just sucks about the power draw.
The little ones are great
The desktop ones are great for storage arrays, especially with an LSI controller thrown in.
I have an Optiplex SFF woth an i5-6500TE. It has a maximum TDP of 35 watts.
The thinkcentres replaces them well IMO, the tiny is a monster, it’s now my daity driver (6600T IIRC, 32GB, 2TB + a rust spinner) amazing and the power draw is way less than my old optiopexes.
my workplace is selling a few optiplex 3040-s with i3-6100, 4gigs of ram of unqualified variety, 120gb ssd, 512 gb hdd, for about 55$, is that a good deal? (this is in hungary btw)
I never exactly paid for any. Didn’t exactly steal. Didn’t exactly pay. I’d call it “appropriate”
I’ve seen worse deals. The platform itself is probably worth that much (meaning the mainboard, chassis, and all the accompanying stuff like heatsinks and power supplies)… 6th gen CPUs are probably dirt cheap, assuming those systems use a socketed CPU, and you wanted to upgrade to something more than an i3. I can’t imagine RAM would be much more.
You can probably turn these into very decent little machines for under $100 each and a bit of effort.
It really depends on whether you need the extra capability for a bit of effort or you’re fine with the i3 with 4G RAM.
I usually want to replace the storage on a used system with something new or refurbished because of wear and tear, but that’s me. Still, that’s not a bad deal. Free would be a great deal, but I’m not sure you could ask for better.
Dude I have my childhood desktop running a jellyfin server, I’d kill for an optiplex
Unless you have an Asus m32cd_a_f_k20cd_k31cd motherboard. I’ve tried EVERY bloody configuration in the bios possible and several different distros, and they all crash / freeze during installation. Fuck you Asus 🤬
That is a cursed name for a motherboard.
Sounds OEM
Would you rather Gaming Extreme MAX Torpedo Super Champ Grand Prix Haxx 2020 Ultra MAX Elite ?
Gramps went musk off with giving weird names.
Just because you have OS install media and hardware does not mean the hardware functions. In fact, old hardware often fails MEMTST.
I’m sure that is often the case. But with this series, Its this specific model. A friend of mine has the Asus M32 from the previous year and he was able to get mint installed without any issues. Just bad luck with the model I bought. It’s always given me headaches so not being able to switch to linux tracks
Have you tried LibreBoot? Is that still a project?
if the stack of shit laptops were dirt cheap or even free, and you are having fun tinkering with them…its still better than letting them rot in the soil.
