There is no reason we can’t take it out on MAGA at the ballot box, take back power, and then use that power to crush MAGA. All we need are political leaders with the courage and strength to do what we are SCREAMING at them to do.
If he is already saying that he doesn’t intend to impeach Trump, it means he probably doesn’t plan to impeach anyone else either. If he won’t commit to fight MAGA, that makes him ineligible for his job.
Jeffries’ primary is on June 23, and he is being challenged by 27 year old Chi Osse, who just filed paperwork to run against him a couple of days ago. Osse is a Democratic Socialist, a Mamdani follower, and with Mamdani killing it in NYC, and Jeffries performing as badly as if he was being paid by MAGA, he might actually have a chance. I can’t believe Jeffries constituents are that thrilled with the half-assed job he’s been doing for YEARS.
We need to spread the word far & wide, as loud as possible, that Jeffries has already said that when they regain power, he intends to squander it AGAIN, and allow MAGA to rise AGAIN! He has already proven to be weak, cowardly, and incompetent. I literally can’t think of a single substantial thing he has done to resist MAGA’s breathtaking corruption. He doesn’t deserve another chance to fail us. Primary him out, and send a shocking message to ALL weak incumbent Democrats: Get in the game, or get the fuck out.
And once he’s out, we need to investigate both Jeffries, and Schmuck. I’m not convinced those losers aren’t Manchurian MAGAs. If the word came in that Schmuck & Jeffries would sell out for a billion bucks, the money would be in a Cayman account by noon. Let’s see if they accepted, my bet is Yes.
Hakeem Jeffries challenged to 2026 primary by 27-year-old New York councilman
Fuck him up, Chi!
“There will be no justice. We will let you down.”
Great way to throw an election.
Goddamnit I can’t believe jordanlund of all people is like the only one with a correct take in this entire thread.
I literally don’t even know how many times Trump has been impeached. Three maybe? Is it three? Could be four. I think it was more than one. I don’t remember what any of the charges were, if I ever heard.
Caring about that shit is such performative lib shit. The only people who care about Trump’s “permanent record” are politically engaged liberals who were 100% going to “vote blue no matter who” anyway. Do you seriously think you could walk into like a random warehouse and ask people what crimes Trump has been impeached over and get correct answers from anyone who wasn’t already a guaranteed vote?
The way you actually reach people is by promoting things that *make a material difference in their lives," not some DC soap opera shit. You say something like, “No tax on tips,” you start cutting through the culture war barriers and media environments and catching the attention of people who normally wouldn’t give two shits about politics. But libs are so far up their own asses about “decorum” and “permanent records” and shit that even Republicans have managed to outflank them, which is an utter embarrassment.
Also, for the record, the justice system is a complete joke regardless. Bush never got impeached for all the illegal torture and spying he did. Anyone with good sense who’s paying attention should know better than to look to the law (of all things!) as some kind of moral guide. The law only matters as far as it exerts power, a purely symbolic “victory” within a fundamentally broken system could not be more meaningless.
Oh but to be clear fuck Jefferies, just like, not for this specific thing.
Is there a progressive or, you know, anyone with a pulse running against this useless lump of flesh in the primary?
GOOD NEWS!
Jeffries’ primary is on June 23, and he is being challenged by 27 year old Chi Osse, who just filed paperwork to run against him a couple of days ago. Osse is a Democratic Socialist, a Mamdani follower, and with Mamdani killing it in NYC, and Jeffries performing as badly as if he was being paid by MAGA, he might actually have a chance. I can’t believe Jeffries constituents are that thrilled with the half-assed job he’s been doing for YEARS.
We need to spread the word far & wide, as loud as possible, that Jeffries has already said that when they regain power, he intends to squander it AGAIN, and allow MAGA to rise AGAIN! He has already proven to be weak, cowardly, and incompetent. I literally can’t think of a single substantial thing he has done to resist MAGA’s breathtaking corruption. He doesn’t deserve another chance to fail us. Primary him out, and send a shocking message to ALL weak incumbent Democrats: Get in the game, or get the fuck out.
Hakeem Jeffries challenged to 2026 primary by 27-year-old New York councilman
Fuck him up, Chi!
I am definitely going to find out how I can donate to his campaign.
Trying to get impeachable grounds on JD before moving on Trump?
Is this idiot trying to lose the midterms?
Yes
I suspect the answer is actually “yes”. AIPAC has spoken, they like trump.
Controlled opposition. Like Chuck the cuck or rich bitch Pelosi
When asked if impeachment was a top priority, Jeffries said “of course not” during an appearance on “Fox News Sunday.”
“I’ve made clear from the very beginning that our top priority is going to be to drive down the high cost of living,” the House minority leader added.
Sounds like he’s trying to win the midterms.
Sure, drive down the cost of living … by impeaching Trump and getting rid of his dumbass tariffs.
Impeaching Trump will not remove him and is political theater since there is no way they will have 67 senate votes. It should be done anyway as a matter of principle, but should not be a top priority.
since there is no way they will have 67 senate votes.
They somehow found the Senate votes for making the Epstein files release into law. (A law which the regime is now blatantly and unapologetically violating.)
What would have happened there if House Dems just sat on their thumbs and said, “There is no way we will have the votes in the Senate for this”?
The Dems have got to stop assuming defeat before they even try.
It’s also not beneficial to waste political capital on extreme long shots. Impeach as a matter of principal, but don’t make it a primary focus.
I kind of take objection to the entire concept of ‘political capital’, spoken of as if it’s an exchange currency that gets used up and permanently goes away when you spend it. It stinks of corrupt and opaque backroom deals and quid pro quo. And, as is the case here, it creates and justifies self-defeating attitudes, where politicians very often don’t dare to do the right thing, because they can’t risk ‘spending’ their precious ‘political capital’ on the right thing when they’re saving it up for something else they might possibly need it for later. How many politicians have ended their terms with ‘political capital’ still left unspent in their account? That shit has an expiration date – it makes no sense to hoard it!
Instead, just do the right thing (to the best of your ability to determine what the ‘right thing’ is) immediately and unrelentingly, at every turn. Never hold back.
And I also only ever hear it as an explanation of why Dems “can’t” do the right thing. When have you ever heard Republicans talking about how they can’t do something because they ‘don’t have the political capital’? No, they just do it. And if their bill/resolution/whatever fails to pass, they just do it again. And again. How many times did they try to repeal the Affordable Care Act? They obviously didn’t have the ‘political capital’ to pull that off, but it didn’t stop them from trying over and over again anyway. Why can’t the Dems have a bit of that energy when it comes to doing things that might benefit the country? (I know, trick question. The real reason they can’t do that is because they’re bought and paid for by corporate interests. ‘Political capital’ is just another convenient excuse they trot out in the all-too-frequent case of when the interests of their donors aren’t aligned with the interests of their voters.)
Sounds like you don’t understand where we’re at as a nation.
Or what Americans actually want. it’s not a “vocal minority” that want the pedophile, racist, bigoted asshole of a president that is jacking up our cost of living so he can be a fucking king gone. So ignoring that and saying you will do nothing about it IS NOT A WINNING STRATEGY.
doing nothing except writing stern letters is not going to solve the problem, either.
How did Trump win? The economy.
that’s excessively simplistic.
Trump did not win “because of the economy.”
He won because he was able to motivate his base to vote where Harris had been less able to do so.
Yes, Trump utilized “the economy” as a talking point, but he also utilized deregulation, and immigration (read: general bigotry and scapegoating) as well as LGBTQ+ and christofascist culture war bullshit. Trump’s voters are too stupid to understand that he’s lying to them, so that kind of messaging actually works.
Harris on the other hand also campaigned on “the economy”- and the cost of living and continued work to supporting not-millionaires; as well as shit like Trump’s former immigration plan and continued support for Israel and so on. harris/Democrat voters are not too stupid to see the problem with some of the things she adopted(immigration, supporting israel) and such like; while souring on economic messaging because Biden had been constantly running that out as if it were amazing while most Americans were struggling. (it took him until like the October before the presidential election to even acknowledge most Americans were still struggling.)
Basically, Trump won because Harris did exactly what the Jefferies is now doing; and that’s summed up as “Ignoring the American people”.
Is there some way both parties can lose the midterms?
If enough people vote for a different party.
Hypothetically, yes, independents could have a majority. Realistically… no.
I really hope he gets primaried
I’m hoping there plan is to treat him like a stupid old feeb, and they’re saying this with a big wink.
Jeffries incumbency no longer a top priority for dems once they win House majority
this just in from everyone hearing his weak-ass bullshit
I can’t believe I voted for this bullshit motherfucker twice just because I thought he was cute and he flirted with me once. like I organized for him. I knocked on (possibly thousands of) doors for him. I marched through streets for this useless motherfucker! canvassing and al that endless campaign bullshit… FOR MONTHS!!!
and all for this? FOR THIS MEANINGLESS BULLSHIT NOTHING OF A STATE REP?? AAAARRGHH!!!
And it begins.
“Let’s move past thus” “We have to think about the future” “We need to reach across the table”
Fuck these corrupt politicians. They know what Trump is and just want more after a short break.
I mean, I’m not even gonna say Hakeem Jeffries is corrupt (because I don’t really know), but I sure as shit am gonna say that he’s a do-nothing coward piece of shit. And that’s just as bad. He needs to go!
The sound of the ratchet clanking shut as the overton window locks into place so that it can shift right once more.
We can get rid of him in the primary.
That website isn’t visible for me as a foreigner, but I checked his answers on the Ballotpedia questionnaire. Seems like we agree on a lot of things. Good luck, Americans. These could be the most important midterms of your lives.
One of the problems with the Democratic Party is that the number one quality for choosing leadership is how well they fundraise. Obviously this makes leadership beholden to those with the biggest pockets, like AIPAC.
We need to primary every Democrat incumbent who isn’t a progressive in action as well as rhetoric.
That is one strategy, the other would be to change the rules of the game and eliminate fundraising altogether or greatly limit it. Politicians should be chosen for their ability to champion needed legislation and to get policies that benefit their constituents passed. Not for their ability to cozy up to wealthy people to do their bidding
As we can see with the current administration, fundraising has taken over politics completely. So much so that the fundraising never stops and has become the point instead of actual governance. This is a broken system that can’t be fixed by voting people in or out unless that is directly leading to serious reforms.
Two things are required before you can change the rules of the game. You need to have a super majority and that super majority has to want to change the rules. AIPAC captured candidates are not likely to change the rules they rely on to stay funded and in power.
At this point Israel out spends the people on candidates, using US taxpayer money.
As far as the current administration and “fundraising” is concerned. They aren’t fundraising, they are grifting.
Good for you for putting in the effort though. Every drop counts, even if some arsehat comes along and steals your effort. You still did your best.
If it makes you feel any better, he’s still undoubtedly better than whatever Republican ran against him.
You deserve the republicans at this point
No I don’t.
Prove it.
If only we can work hard to get him a majority, Jeffries promises he will only use it to play games strictly in his lane instead of actually leading and actively opposing trumps wild overreaches and global shenanigans. Thats heartening.
Impeaching would be a pointless game.
Won’t succeed in removing him from office and “pointless” are not the same thing.
A referendum on his abhorrent behavior as president is absolutely called for. And a spotlight on the complicity of the entire Republican party is worth making hay out of. Jefferies is a spineless jellyfish who should be primaried out of political existence.
A referendum on his abhorrent behavior as president is absolutely called for.
Sure, but of the “torches and pitchforks” style of referendum and not in the “meaningless symbolic gesture within a broken system where you can’t do anything” style. Otherwise you’re just wasting time and energy on meaningless political theater.
Jefferies is a spineless jellyfish who should be primaried out of political existence.
100%. I’d be happy to see an effective referendum on his behavior too. Just over the actual bad things he’s done and not because the way he dances on stage isn’t to your liking.
Impeaching would be a pointless game.
Disagree, because I think a big part of politics is posturing, arguing, presenting your data as best you can, and putting on a show to get people charged enough to get off the couch. Its manufacturing support. So Jeffries job should be much more than just occasionally voting.
Not only that but defending himself from impeachment takes resources away from all the other awful shit Trump is doing.
Right? Genuinely what the fuck is impeachment doing at this point? Nothing. The answer, at best, is obviously “nothing”, and you’d have to be deluded to think otherwise.
I don’t even mean the obvious inevitability that it wouldn’t remove Trump; I mean that, at best, it wouldn’t sway public opinion effectively whatsoever. Trump right now is hanging himself by his own noose, and if anything, an impeachment could put angry Republicans on the defensive by redirecting their attention through a partisan lens.
Impeachment should not be a priority; it’s patently a waste of time at this point, especially if Democrats win a House majority and can at least work to meaningfully slow Republicans’ flood of garbage.
I don’t follow your logic here. You know what slows a flood of garbage legislation? Forcing impeachment over and over
Forcing impeachment over and over
I’m not even going to dignify this with a smarmy “wow, look at the strategic genius on display here” and breakdown of why this is dumb, because that’d be an insult to other people reading this.
This is plainly the dumbest idea imaginable. House Democrats impotently jerking themselves off on the national stage over and over again is a strategy completely divorced from reality; Trump, by being such an astoundingly terrible leader, may have given them one more chance to turn the country around, and the second they actually seize on that (see: the article), your grand idea is to overshadow Republicans’ ire toward Trump and piss away all precious political momentum in a torturously useless quagmire of “orange man bad!” instead of at least attempting something feasibly useful.
Just agonizingly stupid. Also, you clearly have zero idea how “slowing down Republicans’ flood of garbage” (notice I didn’t say “legislation”; I meant generally) works if you think that it helps to hold impeachment hearings over and over if Democrats already have the majority.
Congress’s main duties are legislation, budgeting and impeachment. To fully realize those powers they need a super majority or a cooperative president, and they’ll have neither.
The administration will veto any legislation and has fucked with budgets. There is quite literally nothing useful Congress can do (unless you think they’ll have a sufficient super-majority) except obstruct or compromise with fascists.
If they had the power to do anything useful I would expect several Constitutional amendments to top the list along with impeaching the whole executive branch and some Supreme Court justices. But they won’t have that so what performative bullshit would you rather have them do?
I would rather have them do “performative bullshit” about things that actually affect people’s lives in a real, material way. Take a popular, progressive issue (or issues) and hammer it in repeatedly that you’re the side trying to help people and the Republicans are blocking you.
They could be coming out with like, abolish ICE, end the war in Iran, give people healthcare, etc. It would still be “performative bullshit” in the sense that they don’t have the votes, but it would allow them to define a positive platform consistent with the public interest rather than simply running on being anti-Trump.
They won’t, because the interest groups opposing the public interests are too entrenched for them to even pretend to go against them, but it would certainly be better messaging than “vote for us, and we’ll impeach Trump (again, with no consequence).”
Just look at the reaction to the proposed minimum wage hike.
- “They’re only pushing this bill now because they know it won’t pass”
- “This will make inflation skyrocket”
- “This will kill small businesses”
Blah blah blah…
The same song and dance happens for every bill. Universal health care? “Boohoo my taxes, waiting lines, traaaaans…”
Abolish ICE [through budget whack a mole due to veto]? “Dems are destroying the country, another Dem shut down, they want illegals to take your job…”
Limit Iran war? “Unconstitutional, un-American, they hate the troops, antisemitic…”
There is one clear and obvious problem that is much harder to equivocate: the admin is shitting all over the constitution and lining their own pockets at our expense. The abductions are right there, the paper trail is right there, the election rigging is right there, the pedophilia is right there, the economic and material damage is everywhere.
it would certainly be better messaging than "vote for us, and we’ll impeach Trump…
Idk, being a contrarian got Trump elected after a brutal first term because eggs were expensive. You think it’s not gonna work with these gas prices??
If you care about policy then stump for progressives and call for corporate ghouls to get primaried. But when you’re talking about keeping a sliver of a chance to resuscitate the USA’s corpse then veto is the only answer.
Fuuuuuuuuuck you, buddy.
The democrats only want to bring us back to the exact conditions that brought us Trump.
Fuck that, even without the votes in the Senate, make them go through the process anyway. Get all the evidence in public.
It shouldn’t be, because unless there’s a 2/3rds majority in the Senate it will be the exact same as the last two times.
Performative impeachment is pointless. Draft good legislation, then either let the Senate shoot it down or Trump veto it, and hold them all accountable in the '28 election.
I can think of three problems with this way of thinking:
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Trump has committed impeachable offenses, and to act otherwise cedes reality itself. It loses the game before even playing, and normalizes impeachable conduct. For a narcissistic sociopath like Trump and his Wormtongue Miller, this is an invitation to continue to ignore the Constitution. Their conduct will get worse without impeachment.
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The impeachment process itself changes public opinion. A recent story said that Trump’s approval is already at Nixon’s lowest point during Watergate. Republicans likely will do nothing, I get it, but impeachment forces them to stand up for a traitor. When push comes to shove, they may flinch. We won’t know until we try.
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The corollary of Democrats’ choice to “focus on other agenda” is true here: Republicans can’t focus on Project 2025 if they’re spending all their time defending against impeachment. Right now a depressing amount of Project 2025 has been pushed through, so ending their offensive is itself a win.
- People want Trump to face consequences; and that’s a not-insignificant motivation for voters. If they want to win in november, and win in 2028, they’re going to have to be seen as doing everything within their power to fight this bastard; and they’re simply not.
- this message screams of “who the fuck cares about justice anyways?”
He absolutely has committed impeachable offenses, the problem is we need 67 votes in the Senate to convict him and the Senate absolutely will not do it.
So we’d end up with the same results as the last two times, Susan Collins and “I think he learned his lesson” and all that.
Nobody held the Senators accountable either. So there’s no point even pretending at this point.
What moves the needle is flipping the House in '26, getting good legislation passed, then holding the House in '28, flipping the Senate, and winning the Presidency.
THEN we can talk about the best ways to change the system.
I’d start with upper end age limits across the board for all three branches. It would need an amendment to do that.
Ideally, make it so convicted felons can’t be President.
And term limits.
Sorry to respond so abstractly, but, I think the main lesson the modern political era has is: be a tactician, not a strategist.
A strategist may plan twelve moves ahead, but has a huge Achilles heel. They won’t move until they are sure there is a winning path.
A tactician weighs the costs and benefits of acting in the moment, and acts in a way that improves position even without having a clear path to victory.
Putin is a tactician. For example, he flooded the US with propaganda and leaked emails starting in 2015 to do nothing except destabilize an adversary, kept it up as a cheap side-bet, and ended up getting two Trump terms in return. He attacked Ukraine without a clear plan, and will probably end up (I hope not, but probably - in conjunction with the last sentence) with semi-legitimized control of Donbas and Luhansk.
Republicans are tacticians. They kept attacking “Obamacare” despite healthcare being a top issue with voters and offering no alternative, and eventually the weight of their attacks made it so unpopular, voters were voting in politicians promising to remove it, despite that it would remove their own healthcare. They have been tacticians for a years with voter suppression (they succeeded in getting many state governments, the House, and so on). Stephen Miller is a tactician, and we saw it in how he kept pushing ICE’s unconstitutional policies.
The point is that each move we make, even without a clear strategy to the final goal, itself changes the reality on the ground. And tacticians are winning because their maneuvers take weeks, each time a free swing and way of moving the reality, the Overton windows, a little closer to their goal. If they fail, they have five other plans brewing, all free swings. Meanwhile, strategists’ maneuvers take years to show any effect. No long-term strategy adapts fast enough to counter those tactics.
We have become the stereotype of that republican quote: They act, we react; and while we react, they act again, changing the reality and killing our still-gestating plans.
So I’d humbly argue: The only way out of this is not to wait until 2028 (2029, actually, before a new president is hypothetically seated). It’s to act, now, using every legal tool we have, even if we don’t know the full path to victory.
Tactics means doing things that help you achieve small victories, it does not mean doing random shit that does nothing and hoping for the best.
There are legal tools besides impeachment, but like I say, it’s not a matter of not knowing the full path to victory when it comes to impeachment, there literally is no path to victory. Plus the legal tools are currently controlled by the opposition.
If 2026 goes the way we expect, the 50% majority in the House will be easy enough.
If we want impeachment, we have to run on it now. Get No Kings to swing the Senate races.
Right now it’s 53 Republican, 45 Democratic, 2 Independent (caucusing with Democrats).
33 Senate seats are up for re-election in '26, we need to flip 22 seats to win impeachment, maybe only 20 if Collins and Murkowski are willing to play ball. 4 seats will flip control, but control is not enough to impeach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_elections
If we can’t get 20-22 Senate seats, there is no point pushing impeachment. It only has the desired effect of making the Democrats look bad and that hurts them in the run up to '28.
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I don’t see why performative impeachment is more or less pointless than performative legislation. I would say they should do both; I think it is important to get on record who is for and against things. Although in this case, given that he has been impeached before, I am willing to accept the political calculus that a third performative attempt may not be beneficial.
Performative impeachment lets the Republicans play the victim card in '28.
Passing good legislation that gets defeated by Republicans in the Senate or vetoed by Trump gives them ammunition for even more flips in '28.
Republicans will play the victim card either way.
Which is why it’s important to hammer them with good, popular legislation.
Shouldn’t be so ham-tied that it’s not possible. Hell, why wait till mid-terms, get drafting now so things are ready on day one. Not like they’re doing anything productive or meaningful at the moment.
Except impeachment lets the Republicans play the victim card in '28. So impeachment both does nothing, and lets the Republicans go “See those Democrats are just mean!” in '28.
Instead, you pass good legislation and if the Republicans kill it, you hang them with it in '28.
“Living minimum wage? Republicans say no. Universl health care? Republicans say no. Functional immigration? Republicans say no.”
Way harder to do that if you hand them the loaded gun of a 3rd failed impeachment.
Except impeachment lets the Republicans play the victim card in '28.
They’re going to do that anyway. Don’t let their bullshit stop us from doing what’s right. Otherwise we’re just allowing him to continue his criminal activity with no pushback. And that depresses voter turnout.
There is literally nothing we can do to hold him accountable as long as Republicans control the Senate and he controls the Justice Department, that’s the problem.
Fixing the system means a major, major overhaul of, well, everything and that starts with regaining the House and Senate. That will not happen if we get sidetracked with a 3rd doomed impeachment.
You can’t overhaul anything without a supermajority. So throwing sand in the gears is worth the effort.
Sand in the gears won’t win votes. At a minimum, we need a majority in the Senate and kill the filibuster. If the Republicans want to vote down good legislation, let them, and then hang their votes around their necks in the next election.
Current example, raising the minimum wage to $25:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_c2590dcd-be1b-40db-ba35-89fa602f813d.html
The problem here is that it’s raised by Democrats, which means it won’t even come up for a vote, you can’t hold them responsible for votes that don’t happen.
So, win the House, pass the legislation, and let the Republicans vote it down in the Senate.
“Here are the people keeping you from earning $25 an hour!”
Please VOTE Democrats in the Primary so we can
Impeach Trump!Repeal Trump’s HURTFUL Legislations!Pass MEANINGFUL Legislation!Do what Trump asks us to Do!Wrong answer
Yep, he was already worthless, he just confirmed it. Could you imagine being in the most consequential election since the Civil War, and this “leader” just announced his intention to surrender before it’s even started, and he still expects people to vote for him?
This should be career ending.
Getting that fucker out of office should be a priority. Along with Schumer and any other trash that voted along with the Pedo Party.
Then impeach the Pedo-in-Chief.
Then impeach the Pedo-in-Chief.
wont get thru the senate, so it’s performative. has been impeached before… twice and still got reelected.
