Had to check the date on the article because this is not the first woman in scrubs on her way to work being yanked out of a car while telling ICE that she is a citizen.
We live in a dystopian hell and for some reason we keep acting like it’s all fine.
Prison sentences for ICE agents who participate. There is no excuse.
She is visible white and 👱 blond, a medical worker, speaks with no accent.
She was eventually let go.
The first one is why the second one happened.
These ICE agents deserve the worst possible sentence. Especially as they caused many forced disappearances, which are crimes against humanity.
Surely Florida residents are all aware that the entire state is within the 100-mile freedom exclusion zone.
I have never heard of this and with the average IQ of a Floridian I wouldn’t think they are in the know either.
These fools are fucking around and about to find out.
Their force will be met with greater force.
It’s more likely that you get healthcare
This is getting weirder. Did they realize they were being shitty on camera?:
“I’m a U.S. citizen, please help me,” she shouted after agents forced her to the ground. “This is unfair. Why are you doing this to me?”
Agents then placed her in a patrol vehicle. She was released a short time later.
“She refused to cooperate and identify herself with all levels of law enforcement there,” said agency spokesman Alan Regalado, noting Monroe County Sheriff’s Office deputies were there. A Herald reporter saw deputies moving drivers along who were slowing down to watch the stop.
After agents removed the woman from her car, they found her driver’s license in the vehicle, ran it through their system and confirmed she is a U.S. citizen, Regalado said.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article313356223.html
Edit: So basically, she wouldn’t show them her gold star. WTF country are we fucking living in.
A racist one
Edit: no lie, my phone autocorrected Fascist to racist (I probably fucked the spelling). Accurate both ways
And fascist don’t forget that part!
It’s quite sad to watch the decline of America.
“decline” 🙄
Ya, speaking as an American, America really jumped the boat with Iraq and Afghanistan and the idea of American Exceptionalism. Like I get it, America is the best, but the minute you start seeing results that are not agreeable, change the method. No, these chuckle ducks said we are America and rammed thorugh terrible idea after terrible idea. 'Cause we the best. It’s this mindset that has everybody denying, America was already close to the bottom. Now it seems we trying to be the best at being the bottom. And seeing if that floor can go lower.
It goes all the way back to the founding of the United States. The country itself is built on stolen land and is rotten to the core.
What is wrong with a bunch of wealthy racist land owners creating a country to benefit themselves?
Everything you learn growing up in the US is propaganda and objectively false. There is so much white washing bleach should be the national drink.
Why would they bother with the license if the ICE facial app scan said she was an immigrant? I thought it was absolute and infallible…
Too many eyes
Too many eyes
And not enough brains.
I really hope there’s an american nuremberg, and i hope they claim they were just following orders, because as with the original nazis, that’s been proven to not be a valid excuse. I hope these cunts go to prison for the rest of their lives.
You know how many Nazis were hung in the Nuremberg trials? Like 10. Everyone else was basically acquitted. You cannot rely on systems of power to punish transgressors.
Yeah, we don’t need trials we need a fucking purge of fascists. And purges always go so well…
Nothing will happen to them. Nothing happened to the National guard who murdered and stabbed students in 1970.
Kent state, Blair Mountain, irradiating special needs kids, Greenwood District, forced sterilisation, MOVE…
I don’t expect anything will happen to them, but one can hope at least :/
These people will be protected and suffer no consequences, because the oligarchy in the US knows it will need more thugs who can operate with impunity. This is why Trump released the Jan 6th rioters. National guard literally murdered and stabbed students in multiple instances in 1970 and nothing happened to them. Most got promoted.
You’re basically right, and I think we can aspire to better through some well harnessed anger and direct action.
Maybe we should tell people what Direct Action is.
Sadly most Nazis minus a few higher ups went without punishment. Many scientists even ended up working for the US as part of Operation Paperclip. Like the Civil War, the punishment NEVER fits the crime and these assholes mainly get off scot-free with no repercussions. Which always leads to a resurgence at some point.
My dad tells me a lot of nazis ended up peacefully moving to Newfoundland too
You lovingly forgave the traitors of the civil war, you gave high research positions to nazis after world war II, the signs are not hopeful
It’s actually surprising how they happen to have two million prisoners. Clearly, some people are going to jail.
In other news the justice department commissioned an AI to automate sentencing of convicted felons but had second thoughts when it transpired the robot had become racist after being trained on the judicial records. True story.
Ahh. But that was for Germans. Just following orders is a valid excuse for Americans, as the war crimes trials during the vietnam spanking made clear.
Unless the citizens start showing up to protests armed our corrupt politicians will do nothing as they’ve always done
I hope so too but I have no faith in the democrats or the current American justice system to make it happen. The only way I see it happening is revolution or war. Otherwise, the federal government will just go on acting like all of this was perfectly normal
And I hope they get the same treatment as last time.
The Nuremberg trials were in my opinion exceedingly light in their judgments overall - too many Germans were guilty to practically execute or jail them all.
The same degree of lenience in this case would be a travesty.
Since when do we have to show our papers to the secret police?
Since you elected a Fascist dictator in 2024?
That’s the why, not the when. The when is as of Jan. 20th, 2025.
If you are white, around 11 months. If you’re not white… Well, haha… Funny thing that… Umm, let me uhh, ya…
Surely you can’t be serious.
I am, and don’t call me Shirley.
I hope she sues the fuck out of them.
Nothing would happen. Just a waste of money. And if it came to it, they would just get pardoned.
There is no law in the USA. Trump is the law.
From an outsider looking in, it sounds like more reason to sue or to run to the media. Otherwise, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy
or to run to the media
Frustratingly, the US media is owned by a small concentration of wealthy people who are being further enriched by Trump’s bullshit.
Why the defeatist attitude?
Gestures around vaguely
I hope someone hunts down her assailants one by one, tortures them psychologically, makes them suffer physically and broadcasts it all as a warning to other fascist fuckwits before delivering upon them the fate all Nazis deserve.
They won’t.
That’s why it’s hope.
:)
She literally can’t, ICE agents are federal agents which means they have civil immunity from lawsuits that are a direct result of their duties. Unless they’re doing something that a reasonable person would understand to be a breach of the law. That said the federal courts seem to use Donald Trump’s circumstantial definition of a reasonable person and only his. So fat chance there’s a legal solution to this.
I feel very reasonably that warrantless searches and seizures while not in uniform and face coverings and no badges IS A BREACH OF THE LAW!!!
Not to even mention all the countless people that have been disappeared or deported to God knows where with no information given to their families or anything. Just poof gone. No jury, no trial, no proof they did anything wrong, no positive ID they are even who they are. None of it.
Please explain how any of that could possibly be legal and how any reasonable person wouldn’t consider it evil and terrible and utterly terrifying and dystopian?
How is everyone NOT upset at how awful this all is?
if she doesn’t get fucking deported first for no REASON
They let her go.
When the ICE is dismantled, nobody with excellent salaries and benefits should hire those shitbags.
Hire them? They need to spend the rest of their lives in prison. The most egregious and violent ones should have capitol punishment handed down.
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If she was American, she could afford real clothes instead of those cheap paper ones. Stands to reason.
All ICE agents should be treated with nothing but disdain and ridicule for the rest of their lives. We need a running list of their identities so they can be ostracized. Monuments should be built at Arlington so they can join Robert E. Lee in their shame. Make it a public urinal, right at the entrance.
Name and shame ice agents. Dean Cain.
Stupidman
They should all be hunted down
And locked in dingy cages to lay in their own piss and shit with no food. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
I think there’s a website/database for this already
Only a truly sick society would allow this
A society steeped in misinformation and propaganda ultimately embraces fascism
Sick from poison, no doubt, but sick nonetheless. I hope there’s a cure that opens their eyes some day, but it won’t come from a TV screen.
The cure to misinformation and propaganda is critical thinking and the scientific method
We have the tools. We need the talent.
Exercise doesn’t cure poison. Using individual tools like critical thinking can help you avoid internalizing the misinformation and propaganda, but it sure doesn’t inoculate you from it. We need to cut it out at its source and find ways to ensure it doesn’t get replatformed. Otherwise the toxin is there, just waiting for a day when you’re not on alert, slowly poisoning your mind.
There are always going to be people whose honest assessment is just wrong, or very probably wrong. Or its one of those black swan moments and the crazy person is right.
There’s no getting rid of uncertainty. Science helps us quantify that and work with it.
It really isn’t, fascists love using “science” and “rationality” to “prove” their ideologies. You can argue that they’re not doing real science, but their followers will believe it.
The cure to fascism is anarchism. That is the only effective way to prevent it.
Last time this happened, the country affected needed electro shock therapy to help them snap out of their delusions.
It’s been allowed under the laws for a long time, it’s just like everything else been a polite agreement not to do things like that. The constitution isn’t really suited for actors in bad faith in all parts of the government.
But it’s not, simply put if you are not committing a crime you are not required to ID.
Border control is allowed to ask you if you are a US citizen and they have expanded authority at established checkpoints. ICE can only ask you are a citizen. They can request ID, but you have the right to refuse.
Now if they can give probable cause that you are breaking a law then you can be detained and compelled to ID. The current legal standing is that race cannot be used to establish probable cause. Now of course the Supreme Court can over turn that anytime.
But all of this to say this has been the law for decades. ICE and local police departments struggle to understand that you do not have to ID when asked except under specific circumstances. Several departments have escalated to arrests that ultimately get thrown out. You can do a search online and find dozens of examples of cities having to pay a lot of money in settlements over false arrests.
But if you are driving a vehicle you are obliged to produce a driver’s license in every state. You can’t be pulled over just to have your license checked though, there has to be other cause for the stop.
Know your rights and fight for them before they are taken
The current legal standing is that race cannot be used to establish probable cause. Now of course the Supreme Court can over turn that anytime.
Which they did on September 8th.
Source? I’m not doubting you it’s just been a hard year to keep up with everything
Yes, they’re using reasonable suspicion for stops; Kavanaugh Stops due to what he wrote in his concurrence.
They’ve recently been judged to be using reasonable suspicion for arrests. But I think you might’ve implied as much.
Of course it’s a bit more nuanced but there you go.
It’s been sick for as long as I’ve been alive… Americans often just don’t know it.
